Witchy Bites: once bitten, twice witch
Witchy Bites: once bitten, twice witch
Season Two Kickoff: Emotional Journeys, Mental Health, and Witchy Happenings
Buckle up as we kick off Season Two of Witchy Bites with a rollercoaster of emotions and revelations. From the heartbreak of losing pets to the joy of adopting new ones, moving houses, and life's unexpected twists, we lay it all out on the table. Our candid catch-up session includes raw, unfiltered conversations filled with live reactions and, yes, plenty of swearing.
Next, we pivot to some profound discussions on mental health, sharing personal journeys that underscore the importance of seeking help when needed. Learn how a wake-up call from a loved one led to life-changing treatment and newfound clarity. And as we share our excitement for an upcoming festive trip to Europe, you'll get a glimpse into the magic and significance of the Krampus Christmas run in Austria. This episode includes all the personal stories—expect thrilling tales of police raids, rural crime incidents, all sprinkled with our signature blend of weird humour.
To wrap things up, we delve into supernatural beliefs and spiritual practices, recounting interest in Yowies, discussing the spiritual energies that shape our lives, and reflecting on our childhood spiritual experiences. Whether it's exploring spiritual growth, connecting with nature, or understanding the mystical world of witchcraft, this episode has something enchanting for everyone. Tune in for a heartfelt start to Season Two of Witchy Bites!
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hi everyone. It's witchy bites. Back for a new season. Oh, I guess it's season two. Yeah, we just had a conversation about this. Should we do seasons or should we continue the count, or should it be like 2.0 or what should we?
Speaker 1:do? What was our last episode number?
Speaker 2:I don't remember it's been years. It feels like years. It probably has been years, I think it has been, maybe not quite two, but yeah, a long time. Yeah, so we've got a introductory episode for you where we talk a lot of shit yeah, a long time. I mean, this could be a really long episode if you one don't care about us as people, yeah, and two don't care about how we've changed in the last two years, um.
Speaker 2:So we've kind of split it into two bits, uh, the first bit's like just to catch up about our lives, and we were catching up at the same time. So this is literally a conversation. It's live. You get full reactions, yeah, yeah, and swearing it's great, yeah. So, yeah, this one is not for people who hate swearing, just in case. Just in case, I think if you're still here by now, then yeah, you don't mind, yeah. So this is not not a normal format for what we'll do. It's a casual catch-up, fill-in, um, and we're. And the second part is about witchy, paranormal interest things, questions, catch up on what we've been doing and some random chat, gtp questions that Liz I was going to say Liz made up, but she didn't. Chat GTP did, but you put in the prompts. Oh yeah, that was cool. I said, please write me some questions, that are interesting.
Speaker 1:Some of them were good, some of them were weird Weird. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so enjoy yeah. We hope you like and yeah, next time there will be more of Back to the Old Format where we both have a topic and we talk about it. Yeah, and if you have any information or feedback, we are always open to hearing it. Definitely, just be nice, because we have feelings, we're actual, real people. You know, if you have ideas for episodes and that kind of thing, we're always open.
Speaker 1:Definitely.
Speaker 2:Although I think we're a little bit more refreshed now. So, yeah, yeah, all right, let's get into it. All right. So where have we been? Well, we paused the podcast and it's been like two years. I think.
Speaker 2:It has been ages, maybe a year and a half, I'm not sure, but, um, I just didn't have the money to keep funding it. So, with a double mortgage which I don't have anymore, yay, life was very tight, that's good. So, obviously, we sold our house, yay, and we've moved into our other house and been there over a year now, yay, although I was thinking the other day and thinking about your old house and going. Oh, I had a dream the other day that I broke into the house to stay the night Because that's what people do and our next door neighbour at that house owned the house and turned up and didn't seem to care that we broke in. And the reason I broke in, I told him, was because that's where Mochi is. It was really kind of sad. Yeah, that is sad. So Mochi's been gone five years now. That's surprising. Yeah, because Safi's been with us five years yesterday. So, yeah, so she's about seven, maybe.
Speaker 2:Happy adoption day yeah yeah, so did you bury Mochi there? I have his ashes we got him cremated, yeah didn't you get him cremated? Well, I've got it. I've got to put a shelf up um to put put him on, yeah, so, um, I got some beautiful hue and pine wood, yeah, and um, so I've got one shelf up which is my altar, and I need to put the other one up to put my, like, ancestor altar. So, um, yeah, so he can go on there and Steiner can go on there and Jilly oh.
Speaker 2:I lost Jilly. Jilly was, how old was Jilly though? Uh, 17 crap. So she went downhill. We like we took her to the vet because she couldn't keep her food down and the vet couldn't find anything wrong with her. Yeah, she was just old. Yeah, the vets were great, like when we were with them and Luke had taken another animal a couple of weeks later and the vet just remembered who I was and Luke was just like, oh, she just loves you. And it was just like, oh, yeah, I know Lisa's got this. So I was like, okay, I've met her once. Yeah, it made me laugh.
Speaker 2:And what else have I got animal-wise? I had six wallies release them, woo-hoo. And I still have two coming back. One turned up with a broken leg and had to take that one to be euthanized. Oh, okay, that's less woo-hoo. Yeah, that's not a woo-hoo with a broken leg and had to take that one to be euthanized. Okay, that's less. Yeah, because breaks up, yeah, no, they can't. Yeah, yeah, and this was completely broken. So I sobbed all my way. It was um gambit. So I held him all the way through like the drive and then, like I was patting his face and he had like gone wild, like he just didn't want, want me oh wow, and I mean from.
Speaker 2:That's horrible for you personally yeah as it always is. But he had done, you had done perfectly in that way yeah he was. He was not humanized at all yeah, yeah, right, but yeah like he would like he knew when I was outside and wanted food, but he wouldn't come up to me. So yeah yeah, he's.
Speaker 2:he's a food person, a human that will give food, but I'm not going anywhere near them. I don't care what happened before, it's gone, I'm wild now. Yeah, so he turned up with his broken leg and yeah, so I caught him. And then, yeah, he just sat on my lap and he just looked up at me while Luke drove. I wasn't driving and like patting a wallaby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so patting a wallaby um yeah, so you would have ended up with much more than a broken leg. I'd say, yeah, you had it on that. Yeah, so I lost him as well, which is really sad, but the other two, the two that are coming back are doing really good, both my girls, mystique and rogue. And then I got a call last week from bonnarong asking me if I'll take a patty melon that has a fracture in its pelvis but it's not weight-bearing, so they think it will heal in time. So she's 1.8 kilos, so she's a big girl, but still a milk feeds. Even I know, I remember that that's a big girl. Yes, oh, my God, talking about that. I got a call. Big girl, yes, oh, my God, talking about that. I got a call.
Speaker 2:They put out a message saying can someone take a possum? And I was like, oh, how big is it? And they were like, oh, we're not sure. But it was on mum's back and I was like, all right, well, if it's like at a weanable size, I can take it, because I haven't replaced my indoor possum enclosure yet, okay, so I've only got the outdoor ones, so they need to be pretty big. Yeah, was it like pink and furry?
Speaker 1:They rang me and they said Pink and not furry at all.
Speaker 2:That's what I meant. They said, oh, it's quite big, it's like one and a half kilos, and I was like, oh my God, we released them at one point too. What the hell? And I get in to the vets to pick up this possum. And it was fucking two kilos and I'm like this mum deserved a medal if this was still on the back of mum, or it's a weightlifting possum.
Speaker 2:Like seriously Going into the Olympicslympics? Holy shit, I know I was like are you sure she didn't like get sick because baby had like cracked her spine like yeah, so anyway. So I just like was it um brush tail like a big 50? Yeah, yeah, two kilo boy. Yeah, yeah, I've got. I can't tell my landlord this so I can't ever reveal on this podcast where I live there's a possum who lives in my roof.
Speaker 2:Um, and I think they've been there. They've been there basically. Well, there's been a possum, I think, a couple of times. I may have they may have been hit, yeah, um, but there's a possum in my roof again now yeah, yay and it has a baby.
Speaker 2:But that possum, like I was looking at it out the back, she came down once just before rain was coming through and I put out birdseed at the wrong time and so she came down. I was just like, yeah, I'm just you mean person's opportunistic. No, not at all. And it was standing up like sitting back watching while because it had a baby, so watching me through the window, but not particularly scared, but watching me, and she was up to my knee so she was like a good, I don't know, 20, 30, 40 centimetres. She was ginormous, yeah, and I was just like thank God my cat doesn't ever go outside. And she was up to my knee, so she was like a good.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that 20, 30 40 centimeters yeah, and I was just like thank god, my cat doesn't ever go outside because she was like just rip her in two pieces yeah and she was carrying around a ginormous baby yeah, well, sort of yeah, it was hanging around out the back and I was like yeah yeah and it sort of went near to her and she just sort of looked at it and it went back a little bit and I was like, yeah, you're getting that's a big baby you're being told off and you're a big girl, so yeah, maybe two kilos is not amazing.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that's pretty unusual yeah after seeing that one I said oh my god, like yeah you're the size of a small dog yeah, yeah, yeah but then I probably help, unknowingly, feed them bedsy and get them grow great, big and strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh well, this one I just like left in the pen for two days and then I just let it go. I was like there's no point, you don't need anything from me. They probably should have. Well, if it was still hanging out with mum, maybe they probably needed to give it a space. But yeah, anyway, who knows. Anyway, that was really funny. That made me laugh, but I can relate yeah, it looked like my mum of course needed some space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she needed space.
Speaker 2:I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of carrying you around because you're like the size of a small dog. I wonder if it's. I notice girls tend to stay with their mamas a bit longer, so I wonder if it's a girl. I don't know. I don't know. You haven't lifted up its leg to look? No, you haven't looked to see if it's a pouch hole. Yeah, no, I'd be scared Getting my face scratched off. I'm not an idiot. My dad used to say that. He used to say when we were kids he was like don't go near the possums, they'll scratch your eyes out. And I just remember one day sitting in the shearing shed and this possum like jumped up behind me and it scared the shit out of me because I thought it was going to scratch my eyes out. Our parents have things to tell you, yeah when my mom was like oh, the possums are on the roof.
Speaker 2:Isn't that nice. You can hear them, it's great yeah, yeah anyway, yeah, what about?
Speaker 2:what about you? That's enough about animals for me. I can tell you other things. Okay, we'll start with animals then. Um, yeah, I don't have any actual animals. Many animal stories. I still have flossy. She's 11, 11 now, so she's getting on. Um, she currently has a sniffle, sniffles, so I'm worried, quite worrying. One of my cousin's cats had a sniffle for about a week and then it turned out that it had brain cancer. Oh my god, yeah, but um, I think Flossie's just allergic to something, so I have to find out what. It is probably something I wear as in perfume or deodorant, something like that. Yeah, probably deodorant, because she decides to sleep in my armpit every night. Yeah, that was a tmi. That's where the best smell is. Actually not really, she doesn't really sleep there. She basically sort of wedges her butt there.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, she loves me a lot.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't know what other animal stuff has happened. Not a lot. All my mum's animals are still okay. Um, they're all also very old now 11, 12, I suppose. The only other interesting thing that's happened is I do like I feed the birds in my backyard not regularly and just seed, nothing else, and I've had a few green rosellas come down. Oh cute, yeah, just a couple of times, yeah, yeah yeah, aside from all the invasive species that live in my yard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've had green rosellas. I love green rosellas so much, they're so pretty. I know they don't often come into my yard but they eat these neighbour's roses so I've seen the roses like them out, very carefully tending these roses. They've lived across the road for about a year now, yeah, and they very carefully tended these roses that were in the yard, the beautiful big old roses and yeah, I've noticed every now and again when there's no one really around the rosellas, come just eat all the flowers, like all of them and just have good flavor.
Speaker 2:So these two, yeah, two green rosellas I want them to come into my yard, but I don't have any roses, and I'm not sorry rosellas, I'm not doing that, not buying roses just to feed them. I consider that I'd do that kind of thing, but, yeah, I'd probably kill them, so no, sorry, rosellas luckily, every, every, all of my pet pets are all good yeah good, yeah, glad.
Speaker 2:And um, how's your health? Um, same same same. Still have all my health stuff going. Nothing new really. Oh, that's good. Good, I think my my stress and tolerance for stress has improved. Okay, yeah and I haven't gotten any you know anything terrible which is great, good yeah improved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but not worse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, terrible health stuff. Anything new?
Speaker 1:I have enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what about you health-wise? Have you had any? Yeah. So Luke yelled at me and said is this going to be the way you're going to be from now on? And so I Wait, was this just one day?
Speaker 1:Yes, Is this how you're going?
Speaker 2:to be from now on? Is this going to be your personality? And I was like, okay, maybe I need to make a doctor's appointment. So I did okay, I see. And I went to the doctor and I said my husband yelled at me. I found out I have whatever. You're going to tell him mental health whatever, whatever by my husband yelling at me. This is, we have a good relationship. Yeah, essentially, um, essentially, it's kind of how the conversation went and I just like explained to him just about how, like always, like my whole life, even as a kid, I've just always felt this low level of depression and, yeah, difficult thoughts with living and things like that.
Speaker 2:And he was like, I think you probably just have a chemical imbalance in your brain and he was, like, it's called depression yeah, that's what depression is yeah, because I was like talked to him about like I've done heaps of therapy and it just doesn't help me, and he was like. He was like okay, I think. He was like I think we need to look at drugs and so nothing wrong with that. I've been on antidepressants and it's made my life so much better. Yeah, yeah, so I've been doing really well. Is it wrong to say congratulations?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, because that's how I feel, because sometimes it's really hard, like if you've got mental health conditions. I've had like anxiety and depression, but really my stuff is mostly anxiety yeah, always, just yeah I'm very, I was very, very anxious, worrisome child, yeah, and you sort of just get used to that yeah, it's just normal this is how I am, yeah, and I've always, because my mom's a bit the same and she's always said, oh, it's a chemical imbalance, yeah, and it's perfect, it's just.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's your feelings and stuff, but it's, it's still health and there's nothing wrong with if this thing doesn't work in your body. Yeah, get the help you need?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2:I hate that. There's all that stigma yeah, it's been. I mean, I think I saw my first therapist when I was six yeah, so it's very normalized in my family.
Speaker 2:It's just a health thing, that's all it is. It's just health and if you need help, you get help. I've just got a brain that doesn't make what I need. Yeah, exactly yeah, and it's really made a huge difference because, like I was barely functioning, like I was coming, like I was, you know, maybe high-functioning depression. So, like you know I was, you know, maybe high functioning depression.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, I was going to work and I was doing my job and, yeah, I've been through periods like that, yeah, just going home and getting on the couch like I had to quit doing the um Tazpagnolides, because I just couldn't do it. I just I didn't have it in me um, and so you know, I I just let everything go and got on these meds and now I'm like I'm going back to the gym and I'm like going overseas at the end of the year, going to Europe, finally, finally. But we're doing so. We're flying into Berlin, yeah, and then we're going up to Denmark and then we're flying down to Austria and our whole trip is planned on the Krumpus Christmas run.
Speaker 1:Okay yeah, yeah. So we've planned our entire trip around this.
Speaker 2:That's why we're going to Austria and then we're. It's going to be cold, man. Oh yeah, it's going to be fucking freezing. You are a lot better because if you can go away too very, very cold. Oh, antidepressants changed my body temperature. You know, like normally I was always freezing. Um, as soon as I started taking the antidepressants, my body temperature changed, so now I'm not as cold as I used to be, which is weird. I said, like, what's wrong with you? Where's?
Speaker 1:where's gone?
Speaker 2:Why is she going somewhere in winter? She's going to die. Yeah, yeah, no thanks antidepressants. Yeah, like, my body temperature changed, so it was one of the side effects, yeah, which is a good one. So low body temperature equals like low, whatever it makes your mood low, whatever that was, I don't know, but yeah, um, so, yeah. So correlation is not causation, it just it just happened to be that, true, true for me people keep it going.
Speaker 2:Are you sure it's not menopause and I'm like no? Like literally started as soon as I started taking the tablets, like I two weeks in, like I was my body temperature changed although I will say I got very close, like I turned 40 and I got, like my body just was like yeah, I don't care anymore and a few things did break, but just like you know more acne and stuff yeah, yeah more just acne, which I never had yeah, I'm like great.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't get it in my tank, but I've got it now okay I'm catching up, I'm aging backwards thanks I'm so white now I have so many white hairs. Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that. I thought it was stress, but it was like whatever. But I don't know about you, but I'm like now I really want to dye my hair red because my hair's too dark for bright colors. So now I'm like sticking those white hairs yeah, yeah, bright red streaks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not minding my grays because they're like silvery white oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm okay with that. Yeah, my mom wasn't okay with that. She was like yours are really pretty mine are just gray, like you get yours dyed, mom, don't? You're a redhead Like come on man. I'm definitely going white Like I'm not. There's not silver in there at all, anyway yeah. No, I'm okay, I do not mind that at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're not that. I've seen some women and they go quite steely, grey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and sometimes it's cool, but other times it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, and they want to cover it up. Yeah, I don't mind mine, yeah, that's good. So the other bit of our trip so, austria, yes, and then we're going to go up to Czechia yes, czech Republic I had to think about that. And then Now that, yeah, yep, and then into Poland, yeah, and then back into Berlin and that's it. And go home, holland, yeah, and then back into Berlin and that's it. Yeah, it's a yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna do a complete loop, almost like a smiley face, um, but up and down and then back up, yeah, right, yeah kind of it's like uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, we wanted to do a loop.
Speaker 2:We're both drawing in the air. Just you have to pretend you can see. No, we're simple. Yeah, so we wanted to do that, but with the way that because we're playing it all around, the Krampus run we had to do Denmark earlier. So, yeah, so explain the Krampus. I think I know what it is. So it's a legend in Austrian and possibly other countries in that region um. Krampus is in a few places yeah, or like versions of yeah, so but maybe not called Krampus. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, they are, I guess, friends with um Saint Nicholas and they, yeah, yeah, go around and terrorise children who have been naughty, essentially so like I heard someone telling a story about how they had crumpets come into their house and like rearrange their furniture and throw things around, yeah, and then St Nicholas came in and gave them a gift. So you know, it's like here's the naughty side and now you're being good. I don't know, I quite like that. The parents probably didn't enjoy that. Yeah, I would have as a parent. Look at all this mess. You'll be bad children this year. I wish you had a gift, but you're also good yeah, so they do a market run.
Speaker 1:So all these, people dress up in these really elaborate costumes, and some of them are really expensive and then they run through the market hitting people Apparently.
Speaker 2:You can live with bruises. That bit is not so great, but I'd like a Krampus bruise. Yeah, I can live with that, I feel like.
Speaker 1:I'm already being.
Speaker 2:Not a Krampus concussion, though, just a bruise. Just don't slug me and knock me out, joel. How did you break your jaw? Krampus punched me in the face At the market. It's Christmas, woohoo, krampus related injury. Yeah, this sounds like a lot of fun all of a sudden. I mean literally. This is why we've like planned out a trip around this stupid not stupid, because I'm so excited market. So, yeah, how long are you going for?
Speaker 1:how long is?
Speaker 2:it four and a half weeks we're away. So, yeah, we'll probably spend a week in most places, um, and maybe shorter in chetia and poland, but yeah, yeah, so we'll just kind of fly by. But yeah, and of course, denmark, I'm gonna do all the viking stuff, like all the yeah, museums, and yeah, I can't wait. Oh, I'd really like to go to um, I don't know how to say it, but up, up, up, hell, yeah, I, hell, yeah, the, the, the viking festival in In around New Year's, that is, in the Shetlands, I think.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yep, yep, yep yep, it's a long way to go, just for a festival.
Speaker 2:Look, I'm going for a market run. So I don't think that's. The festival is like days long and also I don't know if you can do the awesome Viking part. It's still reserved for males only. Oh, it sucks that. That put me off, knowing that I could just watch and not even really participate at all. Yeah, so like it'd be cool to go see they burn a viking boat in the. Oh that's, it's that one freaking cool. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen videos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool. It's kind of like I'd love to go to upsala and and and look at stuff there in in sweden. But it's just and it's like the right time for because it's like christmas time, so it's like into january that they that there's a celebration and stuff. I'd love to go, but I just can't. I can't make it work so and luke's not that into it, so you know.
Speaker 2:So yeah he could do other stuff he could. But yeah, we can't afford to be away until mid, mid january. So yeah, because it's always the full moon after, it's always the full moon after the solstice, yeah, I think that's kind of the time like, yeah, it's very early january sometime that they do the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember it is up, hell, yeah, but that's not what it is. We'll find it. I'll find like links and and so you can see the spelling. Yeah, yeah, in the notes. Yes, have a look. Yeah, yeah, because I'd love, yeah, I'd love to go yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's a long way. It is a long way. Have you got plans to go overseas again or not? Yet I'd like to go again. I'd really like to go to Japan, but I'd probably end up going there by myself. But that's okay. Mum wants to go again to the UK. Yeah, over.
Speaker 1:COVID. She got quite down about it because she thought we would never get to go again.
Speaker 2:Oh, and I was like it's fine, we'll go again, it's okay, the whole world will be normal one day, like it can't. Actually it's not. This isn't. I don't believe in like that kind of dystopian yeah yeah, but um so, yeah, we're talking about going away again and hopefully we can um yeah, we'll just see how it goes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we have to plan it a fair bit in advance yeah to to get everything together, but now that, now that I live here with my animals or my cat and she's there with her dogs, yeah, we need two people to yeah, to house it essentially. Yeah, that is the hard part sorry yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I've gone away from work for work and had, so a friend of ours has stayed. Oh, friend of the show, brian Brian, episode nine was it really early on? Yeah, the monologue? Yeah, poor old Brian. Um, yeah, he looked after. Like he stayed at my mom's and looked after her dogs where we went to visit um, a very sick aunt in bernie for about a week, week and a half, yeah, and he came and looked after floss and I think three or four days in, she actually acknowledged his existence, so that's impressive yeah until then it was just like she'd sort of look at him and meow yeah, and then, when he was not to her liking, I eat me, or my mom really yeah um, she just turned her back on him.
Speaker 2:Eat the food later when you're not looking, yeah when no one was around um. But it was okay, yeah, it worked, yeah, and she was okay yeah, good, yeah, yeah, sort of yeah In her flossy way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in her.
Speaker 2:I hate you, I hate everybody and I hate you for not being here. Yeah. But it worked out and she was pretty good. But you know like it would be. It could be. We usually go for at least a couple of months to make it worthwhile. Yeah, I think the first time we went one of my aunts because she has like how do I put this? She has some health conditions that required lots of medical yeah, stuff, yeah yeah let's take a bunch of stuff with us yeah had it like her carry-on suitcase was just all her medication.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she's going through international airports is little. I'm not a this is actually mine and like she had to and they always checked all her stuff yeah ages. This ain't cocaine, is it? They're like reading all the letters and like it's yeah and you could tell that some people were like I don't understand what this? Is but there's a letter that says doctor there, okay, okay, well, we're going through yeah yeah, and I mean now.
Speaker 2:I take some pretty hardcore medication. My mum did then too and like, when you're with your aunt, it's just like this is nothing. Well, they they looked at my aunt because she had a freaking suitcase of drugs and like, like, not bandages, but like other kind of medical stuff like that for like a variety of things which I won't say on here so you don't have to cut it out.
Speaker 2:It's a bit personal and mum had these like just a few things, but quite like restricted medication for her stuff but no, the aunt with the suitcase, which was all very obviously not illegal stuff, because why would you carry that kind of thing around if you didn't have to use it. And she always got pulled up. Yeah, mom got frisked a few times. She ended up just like she'd wait at the end, like she'd be the last person of the four of us to go through because, she was like I'll just get frisked, so I'll go last.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like are you sure, mum? Yeah, no, I'll be fine, I'll take ages. It's okay, it's fine, I know it's coming. Oh my God that's so bad. These are all ladies, like you know. They're 60s and 70s. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's just like and me, who never got pulled up for anything. I'm like, I'm with them. Oh, that's okay, go, I'm here. This is my auntie, I'm helping her. Oh, yeah, you go through Thumbs up. Yeah, I don't know. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's something I think, if you can, I think everyone should travel overseas and go through the interesting experience of customs and all of that jazz, because it's just so interesting, it's just so not normal at all and the weird stuff that happens. Like one time mum went through somewhere I don't even remember where it was now, um, or maybe it was me, I can't remember. Anyway there was like very trace like on the wheels of one of our cases. There was like a trace reading of something illegal. They found it and they pulled us up and they were going all over.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, it's on the wheels, that's a bit weird, so you must have rolled through something in the airport, because when we went through the first bit it was fine and they did all the scrub and stuff, yeah. And then we went through the second bit and, yeah, it's like now we've got trace of, like yeah, something really hardcore like cocaine or something, and so they wiped all the wheels and did it again and didn't get any reading.
Speaker 2:So it's like they still searched everything yeah of course they have to they have to, and we were just standing there chatting with them because it was like well, we don't, we've got nothing to hide yeah, like go through everything if you have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do it, just do it just yeah, yeah, but it was just so weird. And then, like, they cleaned it and it was just like, yeah, there's, you literally have nothing like we've gone through everything and it was just on the wheels, and it was probably on the wheels from something they had like done because it was in that area. It was so strange, so strange. Yeah, fun times I. I have a crazy story for you that's to do with my parents. So, um, my parents were at home one day and I'm just picturing them, yeah, so you gotta remember my dad's 81 and my mom's in her 70s completely parents at that age. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit horrifying actually, and Dad went to hospital with COVID, so, anyway, he's fine now.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's scary, yeah, but that happened a week after this event.
Speaker 2:So that's, oh, okay, right. So they're at home and all of a sudden they're like there's a helicopter hovering over our house. What's going on? And they're like outside staring at this helicopter and they're like that's real weird, because you know why is it low? You can hear them fly over and, yeah, even then it's really loud. So you go out and it's like what the hell? Especially like I think a lot of tasmanians get it, especially in the south, and stuff, yeah, the bushfires.
Speaker 1:So we're used to having helicopters yeah, at certain times flying over being really loud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this was May, so no bushfires, okay, well one would hope, who knows?
Speaker 2:now climate change and then so they went outside and they were staring at this helicopter and like what the hell is going on. And then it turns around and it has police written on it and they're like, oh, something's going on. So they went inside and then all of a sudden they're just like staring out the window trying to see what's going on and all these police are swarming their house and one of the cops pulls a like gun at my parents in the house and like from the window outside and mum's just like what's going on?
Speaker 1:Who looks at?
Speaker 2:her what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck? Well, actually, no, your parents would not say that at all no, what in the world?
Speaker 2:no, my parents wouldn't swear so my mum might, but my dad definitely never. My dad doesn't even drink like yeah, yeah, oh goodness, what is this, what is this? And so they're like what's you? They had no clue. Just everyone turned up with all these guns and sniper rifles and things like that. And so mum went to one of the rooms and there was a cop standing on the veranda and she was like what's going on? And they were like oh, there's an armed person in your hedge. And mum and dad were like what the hell? And they're like can we get out of here? And they're like are you sure there's no one in the house? And mum's like I don't think so, and my mum's always been really paranoid about like people being in the house that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1:That sucks that this is happening to her randomly.
Speaker 2:In some ways it's really good, because they had everything locked. They did hear a bang earlier, so the guy probably tried to get into the house. That's a bit freaky, yeah, freaked me out. So the cops came in and just checked the house. Mum and Dad were like I don't think there's anyone here, but we've you know. So they came and checked the whole house and everything was fine and they're like can we leave? And they're like, yeah, it should be fine, but you have to be quick and we'll take you down. You can sit in the police car because, like, literally the hedge is just outside the front of their house. I had this weird image for a second, like they're all inside going. There's a dude in your hedge.
Speaker 2:There's a guy in your hedge With a gun, with a weapon, yeah, so as if he doesn't know that we're here to catch him. There's a helicopter like hanging over the house, which is why? Because they're looking at the hedge, um, so they get mom and dad out and they run they, they like get them down to the police car and they sit in the police car for four hours. I stayed in the house, fuck that man. My, my sister was at work and she just kept getting ping after ping after ping on her phone and there's. And then she looks and she like sees police running past the camera with guns drawn and she's just like what the hell's going on. So she, she says to her boss she's like I've got to go, they're raiding my parents there house.
Speaker 2:There's police at my parents' house, I've got to go. And he was like oh, you can't leave, work, my sister. I'll have to cut that out, edit, she was like she's, like I'm going, I'm going, she's just like good.
Speaker 2:She's like I'm going you know you can't keep me here Like something's happening with my parents, I need to go copped up, I'm leaving, right. So so she manages to get in contact with mom and dad and they say they're in the police car, so she goes and picks them up and and they're like, just go do something. So they went and got dinner in town and like they didn't get home till 10 pm. So this started at about four or two. But the other thing you've got to think of, there's just a dude in their hedge for like 10, like four or five, six hours that they that they know of. So there's more to this story.
Speaker 2:So in the meantime, so they've gone off, gone to get dinner and stuff, hang on, I think you're really practical they left the keys with the police officers to their house. So just like, yeah, you know, you've got it. And they, at the same time, what they didn't know was that there was another person, a woman, who had a knife, oh God. And she and of course the accomplice, yeah, ran for a different house. So the guy went for the hedge, the hedge, and she went for the house that's next door, right, and I mean like the house.
Speaker 2:It's like five acres, you know like next door, like just across the road yeah, yeah, but it's like a bit down you know yeah the paddock. So, um, so it's more, yeah, like it's it's not close proximity. So she comes outside of her house because she's like what the hell's going on?
Speaker 1:so the owner the owner of this home knife lady, not knife lady right, the owner of the home.
Speaker 2:She and her kids are in the house, oh god. And she comes outside and she looks at um. She's like what the hell's going on with the helicopter over head. So she's like texting mom and dad and just saying, hey, you guys okay, like what's happening? A bit away, so nearer to your parents house yeah, yeah, hedgeman, yeah yeah, no one knows what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then, um, did the police know that this other woman existed? Yet knife lady? Uh well, yeah, I think they did, because they had robbed a place at mole creek. And there's no, the two people and, and then they fled.
Speaker 2:They discharged the gun which is how they knew that they had weapons on them and fled to my parents' hometown, which is about 30 minutes away. Okay, so, yeah, so anyway, this woman had come out and she went back inside and suddenly she hears a door open and the woman's standing there with the knife, god, and she grabs her kids and she runs to a bedroom, locks the door that's terrifying and she climbs out the window with the kids and runs for the road, and then the police get to the house and the lady with the knife apparently just started slashing up all this stuff in their house, which is just terrifying. Wait, so the knife lady goes in, but mom house owner escapes yeah, out the window second, I thought this was turning into a hostage story.
Speaker 2:I know okay so she that's part of why it went on for so long, because she was in the house, locked in, so the police had to. I think it took time to catch her, not the guy. They got the guy first, so the hedge man wasn't in the hedge for like the whole time yeah, trying not to piss himself.
Speaker 2:I don't know. That was immediately what I thought, like how, what would happen if you wanted to go to the toilet? Oh, I give up, can I use your bathroom locally? Just like guns out and dicks out, like yes, I have to, I have to go, I have to go, so give up. Can I please just use a proper bathroom and get these pants off, please? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Hedgeman was sad, so apparently what they had done, which afterwards this all came out. So the people that had done this crime came to my parents' hometown, went through the recreation ground, crashed into my parents' gate, so like a gate for the farm.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so not right near the house. Yeah, maybe about.
Speaker 2:I don't know 300 metres away. So not just like their front gate. Yeah, it was like you know, a little bit away. My parents have 90 acres, so they're. You know, yeah, this isn't sub. You know, yeah, yeah. So they crashed. This isn't suburbia. Yeah, crashed the car. And then they ran, and so one ran to my parents' house and one ran to the neighbour's house. Yeah, so that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 2:So they split up and yeah, my sister's, my sister's horse got maced. Oh, got maced, um, because they were okay, yeah, um, so she had to get the vet out to check and they were just said like, just keep giving him water and just make sure it doesn't get worse. They're more worried about the dog because the dogs can't sweat, but, um, he was fine, he didn't get maced. It was the horse, yeah, which is awful. Yeah, yeah, he was okay, he okay, but he was very anxious and nervous.
Speaker 1:I had never thought about a horse getting maced and what the effect that would have had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and obviously it was like rogue mace, not like they would mace the horse.
Speaker 1:You're in on this, aren't you, Mr Ed?
Speaker 2:Or however it is, I assume it's a spray. So, yeah, yeah, so that was my parents adventure. And then a week later my dad got covered and went to hospital. I think, uh, yeah, like he may have been a bit stressed, yeah, so immunity gone down a little after having hedge man in his head. It's really bizarre, because the way that my parents talked like yeah, it's terrifying, right that. The way that my parents talked like yeah, it's terrifying, right that all of that is terrifying, especially since, like guns and stuff, they're not a thing here in like other countries, holy crap, yeah, and those poor kids, like the amount of trust and issues that they will have after that is just horrific.
Speaker 2:But my parents, just like they were nervous, like every time they heard a loud sound they're like, oh, not again, you know that kind of thing, um, but otherwise they talked about it in a way that was like, oh, it's this interesting story, like, like, even though it like scared them, it was like, yeah, maybe that's how they coped with it yeah a bit of a separation yeah, as if it happened, because you know I made a bit of fun of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah also, man. Yeah, I mean, like that's what you do, yeah, to cope, yeah, but really, yeah, that's that is actually terrifying right, there was a siege essentially at their house. No well, with their hedge, yeah, but they they did. Before the helicopter turned up. They did hear a bang near their back door. So I reckon they probably did try to get in because mum and dad keep everything locked.
Speaker 2:Actually yeah, I do. Yeah, I have to say I keep front and back door locked all the time, mostly because I'm slightly ADHD, pretty absent-minded, so I just leave, and it'd be like whichever door would be unlocked for days. Yeah and I just leave the house unlocked accidentally so I have to lock it. If I go out, come back in, lock the door because I just forget our front door auto locks so so you've got you close it, and then it locks after three seconds.
Speaker 1:You've got it yeah, clever, yeah, I don't? I have an old house with old manual locks um yeah, I just have to do it because I yeah and that knowing that about myself makes me paranoid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no and totally fair.
Speaker 1:Like you, just don't know what will happen, I just keep it locked, yeah yeah, because I live by myself with my cat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, yeah, on the main road. Yeah, it's kind of good but also kind of bad. Yeah, you could make it funny that story hedge guy. Of course, I always thought what if we had to go to the bathroom? Because I do think that, because that's how I work, but it's not. Yeah, I mean, it is actually scary. These things don't happen. Like even like this is nowhere near like any well close-ish towards one of our slightly bigger cities, like how far from Lonnie? They're about 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know, but we don't have gun, have gun crime here, but they literally don't have a shop in the town that they live in like it's like tiny tiny yeah, tiny town of, like you know, a dozen houses yeah, like it's yeah, it's just yeah, any farming community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but even in the main Hobart, like we don't get, we don't have gun crime here. Port Arthur happened and then there's no one has guns now, yeah, well, that's what someone said, that they thought that because the place that they hid at Mole Creek, apparently someone had said they were looking for weapons. But I haven't read that anywhere, so I don't know whether that's rumour. But that's the thing. But farmers have weapons Like they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do A lot of them have. I mean they're licensed, we're not talking, they just all have guns.
Speaker 2:No, but it's like, or multiple weapons, but they do they often do because there's like pest animals they control.
Speaker 1:like pest animals, they control yeah but it's still all licensed and usually they have one one. Yeah, it's not like we don't have guns.
Speaker 2:We just don't have a lot of gun crime yeah, yeah it's really tight. It is pretty tightly controlled and yeah there's still the normal, not normal, but you know you can illegally get, yeah, get guns. Oh yeah, my brother, being like one of my brothers, is a cop, yeah, and he once chased someone and the guy threw a bag and when they went back for the bag there was a sawn off shotgun in it.
Speaker 2:You know like it happens, but it's just yeah, like that, like that would have made news, that alone probably made news here. You know just, I don't know, made me go. Oh, that's the job my brother has, yeah, but you know so, yeah, anyway, I don't know, it's just. It's just, that's, yeah, like that's.
Speaker 1:That doesn't happen here no, it's really and it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is scary yeah, I mean we're lucky, it's really safe here. But yeah, a siege, yeah, and yeah and guns, yeah, I mean no one was like I'm assuming, no one really, except toby the horse. Yeah, poor toby yeah yeah, like people there weren't. I don't know, knife lady and hedge man probably got hurt.
Speaker 2:But yeah, not nothing that I'm aware of yeah, no one no one said, and they didn't say a lot like taz police just put up a post saying they thank the people of the town for, you know, their cooperation. Because, yeah, the whole town was probably involved, because that's how tiny it is. Well, like literally, because it was still going on, when my parents got back, the police were still there. They went to a neighbour's house and stayed until they could go home. So you know like, yeah, yeah, I don't talk to my neighbours much at all. Yeah, but there was, you know know, they're fine, they're quiet, they've got kids, their family, you know, yeah, so there's no problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but a couple of times, like one time the, the, the father of the family, came over and said, um, I think I think your water cylinder, which is just like in my backyard, next to the house, is like broken, like there was water, there was literally a waterfall coming out of it, oh my God, and it had buckled. Oddly, it was going to like, yeah, you wouldn't go out there to look, would you? Well, yeah, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have known, yeah, because on the side of your house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and it's like the dark, dingy side. Yeah, but he'd gone out and he'd heard it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was like oh, like I'm really because I was in bed, because it was like Friday night and I was dead tired, but they have normal lives and normal health and so they were up at 9 o'clock, yeah. But yeah, they came and knocked on the door and I opened it and I was like hello, just sort of who are you, you'd be my dressing gown guy? And he just sort of looked at me and he had his like, yeah, sort of youngish.
Speaker 1:I don't know teenage daughter with him, so it seemed a little bit less creepy yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was just like, and it just all sort of poured out at once.
Speaker 1:He was so sorry, but I heard your water cylinder.
Speaker 2:It's broken. There's water everywhere and I saw this thing on tv because where this woman like died because her cylinder exploded and like she was in the bath. I'm really, really sorry, but I think there's a problem and I just want to make sure you're okay and that you don't die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's very sweet, but he came over to make sure I was all right, like I've never met the man and he's like, and I just sort of he didn't take a breath and he spoke for like a full minute and a half at least, and this is, and he talked about this thing. You'd see it on tv. I don't really remember what he said, but basically he was really awkward. But really concerned enough that I was gonna die because the house would explode, because the water and it would have like if it had actually exploded and it was like it had a big bulge at the bottom.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it was gonna yeah yeah, yeah, and I was just like what the fuck do I do? And I just turned the water off and I was like, I want to have a shower tomorrow, though, and I was like, oh well, the water has to go off, because that's a weird shape at the bottom now and yeah, next door neighbour was right, it could explode.
Speaker 2:This could kill me. There was like a few feet of the water, so the water was pouring out of it, but like shooting. Oh my god, so it's really under pressure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it was shooting out and hitting the wall, the fence next door, like it was, like I don't know a meter yeah, it was going and I was like that's ultra scary yeah um, but it didn't explode and I'm still alive.
Speaker 2:I didn't drown in the bath. So the poor man next door, but but he came. I know him. Yeah, I've never met him, yeah, but he, he came over and said and yeah and another time there was a poor cat had been hit in the road and the woman next door again, I hadn't. This was after the exploding water cylinder. But this time the woman, the mum, came over and knocked on the door and was like and it was pissing with rain, it's pouring rain and she came across and she said there's because she also had a cat and I didn't know I hadn't seen hers.
Speaker 2:But my cat sits up in the room, everyone in the neighborhood, like I've been approached by people and go do you live in that house with that cat, that cat? Yeah, she's famous in the street. Um and yeah. So the woman came up and was like oh, I know you have a cat because I've seen it in the window. Yeah, and she's. My floss is a light color and this cat was yeah a lovely little ginger one.
Speaker 1:Oh, but she just sort of she knew that you had a cat, she knew it was a lighter colour and it was.
Speaker 2:I had a cat. Yeah, and she said I'm just making sure, like is your cat okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like because there's, and I could almost see it from my front yard. Oh yeah, wow, and I was like I looked around and Floss was just sitting sort of back from the door, I was like no, there she is, it's okay. But we went out and had a look at the cat and like we moved it away, yeah, Like up onto the sidewalk, so that's, and yeah, the next day someone had come and got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, obviously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah'm looking out for your welfare even though I don't know you, yeah, and I think the moral of the story, even if it's really awkward, and you have to go and tell this person and you talk incessantly for like a minute and a half about this thing you saw on TV and that's why you're coming to rescue your neighbour from drowning, do it? It is okay, as long as you're safe as well to approach. Yeah, we should be looking after each other a little bit more, did you? Did you, um, did I tell you about my experience at christmas with the? I'm shaking my head talking about being good neighbors old house or new house? New house, right, all right. So I've told you the story. I was outside fitting my jollies and it was like late at night, it was like maybe 8 pm, like still sun up because it's, you know, summer. Yeah, um, yeah, I can't really remember the time, I just remember I was out fitting the joeys. It can in summer, down here it can stay light till 10 pm.
Speaker 2:So this is yeah it could have been quite late yeah yeah, I just I can't quite remember.
Speaker 2:So it might have been six, might have been four, who the fuck knows? Um, so, either way, it was light, irrelevant, there was sun, it was in later, it was in the later part of the day and, um, I heard this bang. I heard some kid like not kids, but like some people talking, and then I hear this like massive, like bang, bang, and I thought, oh, they're probably throwing something in our shed, blah, blah, like I wasn't really thinking much of it. So I finished reading the joeys and I went outside and I saw that there was a, like a? Um fire in my neighbor's yard. Oh, wow, and I was like, yeah, especially in summer. And I was like, oh, I don't even think they're home, like I hadn't seen their car. So, these neighbours, they come in and out Like they will visit for a week and then they'll go away for a couple of weeks and then come back.
Speaker 2:To clarify, Liz lives not close to a city now and you've got a little bit of land.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's land around and fire is scary. Yeah, it is very scary, I'm in the bush, like I have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, you literally have bush I literally have yeah, like forest, yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So I was like, oh, that's weird, like maybe they're burning something off, and I went inside and I said I don't. To luke. I was like I don't think our neighbors are there, but there's a fire. Do you want to just go come check it out with me? And so we walk over and then we find this petrol, two petrol drums on fire, holy crap. And we're like oh, oh, this is sinister. Like you know, this is a problem.
Speaker 2:And so Luke's like starts walking around the corner and he sees that there's a window broken. He was like oh, wow, yeah. So he was like oh, wow, he, yeah. So he was like call the police. They're still here. And I, so I called the police what is it with your family now? And like and the police, holy shit, like you've, you've had some like hardcore. Yeah, okay, my life has not been that interesting at all. Interesting, scary, scary maybe. So I'm on the phone to the police and I go out to the to get the number of the house and these people had like knocked the letterbox off the the thing. So I was like okay, uh, the number is. And um. And then, um, luke comes back to me and he's like oh, I know who it is and he was describing them on the on the thing. He was like there's some kids, they're down the road, they live at this house.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, so he like he knew one of we knew one of the kids, yeah, um, and he was like they've ran off into the bushes, um and um, blah, blah and he's. And so we hung up and we waited for the police to turn up and the kids had heard Luke giving a description of what they looked like and where they lived. So they came out of the bushes covered head to toe buzzies. Um, were they scary kids or like little kids?
Speaker 2:I would say they're about 11 years old so they were little be scary yeah um, one of one of them was like luke had grabbed their bike and was holding it and the kid was trying to get his bike back and luke was like no, no, you, you stay here, you're staying until the police arrive. Um, and because they had broken into a house, like literally, like smashed a few windows and stuff and set petrol drums on fire yeah, so in the middle of summer, which is a really scary thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, in lots of places, If I had known it was kids, I probably wouldn't have rung the, I wouldn't have rung triple zero, but I would have just rung the normal police line. But I didn't know that at the time and when I was on the phone to the police I was like what the hell do I put petrol fire out with? Yeah, good point. Because I was like I can't use water and she's like I can't advise on that, you'll have to call the fire department. And I was like okay, um, but she couldn't because yeah, yeah, be held responsible for giving advice but it could make it worse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah so I thought that I would have just been like yeah, fire yeah yeah see I don't live in the bush though yeah, any kind of bush.
Speaker 2:There's a highway outside my house, yeah, which you may hear, sorry, so, um, at the same time, a neighbor had come like, had driven by and seen the fire as well, and she's like I didn't think that would that were home either, and so she brought a fire extinguisher and we put the fire out. So that was fine. Um and um. So I got to meet a neighbor so you're good neighbors, so we've got neighbors. And then um, um, and then the kids were sitting there and and one of them was starting to get upset and started to cry and I was like I was like you know what's going on, and he was like oh, are they going to put me in jail?
Speaker 2:So they were little kids like, yeah, 11, like literally 11 years old, and um, the I'm trying, I like I'm trying to keep like a really straight face because, like you know, it's really sad but at the same time it's kind of funny. I would have just been like, yeah, probably I'm such a though I have no patience now. I was like well, you know, it really depends like have you been in trouble with the law before? And they're like no, and I was like well, you know there's a good chance, it will be a warning, but you have to be honest and you have to tell the truth, like everything that happened okay, this kid a pep talk. And then he was like, but, but my dad's in jail, so they'll put me in jail too. And then he starts sobbing and I was just like, oh, so this is a straightaway. You can see what's going on here.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, this cute little guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm assuming it's a boy. Yeah, they're both boys, yeah. And I was like, okay, well, for starters, you are your own person, like this kid, this massive pep talk. I was like, like you're our own person, you are only responsible for what you have done, like, so you say what you've done. You don't have to keep this massive pep talk. And then the police turn up and this officer he was like they, luke took one of the. There were a few, there were three officers, so Luke took one of them away To talk about what you guys had To say what had happened and show what windows were, and you know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And then this other guy, he like he was like what's happened? So this little kid, one of the little kids, starts just telling the truth, like he talks about all the letterboxes he'd broken into that day and they're like where's the man? They the truth. Like he talks about all the letter boxes he'd broken into that day and they're like where's the man? They're like oh, we just threw it on the ground and his mate was shooting him. The biggest evil daggers like what the fuck are you doing? Telling him the truth, and I was like this and that was the kid that was manipulated, trying to manipulate luke to let him go like yeah, so we didn't even restrain them, they could have just ran off. We were just like no, you can't go. And I'm like they just stayed little kids.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, so anyway. So this police officer, he was like just starts yelling at this kid. He's like you could have killed people, like you know this fire could burn this whole place down, which is true, you know like he was like you need a good kick up the bum because you know country police. Yeah, in some he was like you need to go kick up the bum because you know Typical country police.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:In some ways. I'm glad they still exist.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, right, because so Frighten the shit out of the kids. Yeah, essentially that's what he was trying to say. It's like don't do this behaviour, yeah. And then the grandparents turn up and they're because his dad's in jail and his mum apparently was really abusive to the children, which is awful. So these poor kids had an awful life.
Speaker 2:And no wonder he's acting out Right and the police officer's just like you know you've got to find better things to do with your time than you know this kind of stuff, like there's no excuse, like he just really blah. So you know, we were just like yeah, and we're like so, do you need us anymore? And they're like no, we left, we're just like let's go. And the little kid, the manipulative kid, he was trying to figure out where we lived. He kept asking us where we lived and I was like I'm not telling you where I live.
Speaker 2:You're going to burn our house down you little shithead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what are you going to do now?
Speaker 2:that we've done this. The next day I went and bought cameras and put cameras up. Don't blame you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway. So that's that. That's what happened at Christmas. See, I don't have any stories like that at all. My stories aren't. There were nice beds in my backyard, which I really like, and you have a possum. I love that I have a possum. I haven't had any run-ins with the police recently. You're just going to have to create some. I set my own backyard. I swear it was someone else, not me.
Speaker 2:Can you start yelling, please? So I have an interesting story for my podcast. Just don't yell at me, because I will get sad, I will cry, I will cry and I'm an adult and I don't really want to do. I will get sad, I will cry, I will cry and I'm an adult anyway. So that's that's my life at the moment. It's so weird. They're not even things that happen to me. They, they happen to other people, but I just get to hear about them. I was going to say like, again, make it a funny story. And it is funny, yeah, but that little kid sounds like he's had a real shitty life. I really felt for him and he really Not the manipulative shithead kid.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I felt like. To me it felt like this kid got up to mischief, yeah, with his friend. Yeah, One of his friends was more into the destructive part of it and he went along with it. That's kind of how it came across. I mean, the other, the shithead kid, may have probably also had a pretty crappy something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Or he may have just been a naughty little shit. He looked like a bogan kid, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 2:So yeah, he had a rat's tail, oh god yeah, yeah, but like you know, it's just you know, and like the, the owners didn't press charges. So they came up the next day, um and thanked us and um and he's like, oh yeah, I can fix it. He said I'm more worried about the fact they got into all his like chemicals, like poison chemicals for the garden, and they just like like put it all through one of their sheds, like tipped it all out and stuff.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm more worried that they've poisoned themselves than anything else um yeah, but the other thing I was going to say, like you know it sounded funny. Yeah, that could have been a major like turning point.
Speaker 1:Oh God, who knows? You don't know and you'll never know, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, I just think about those kinds of well, I never got in trouble with the police. You never had the police called on you for trying to burn and rob a house. No, thank God my brother may have gotten into trouble once, for he supposedly well, no, he wouldn't have done it because autism can't really tell lies. Yeah, he went with a group and they threw rocks at cars off an overpass, yeah, and he thought you know, because he was quite young still. Yeah, probably about the same age as those kids. But thought you know because he was quite young still. Yeah, um, probably about the same age as those kids. But yeah, you know on the spectrum, yeah, so he thought that was a little bit funny because he didn't understand and he didn't do it. Yeah, so he was like I won't get into trouble, yeah, and but he got in trouble yeah, um, nothing happened to any of those kids.
Speaker 2:I don't know if any of them went on to be career criminals or anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they all finished.
Speaker 2:Your brother's not a career criminal no, no, he's a mechanic um, but the point is like he remembers that, yeah, and that was the first time that he knew that if he was involved, yeah, he was in a situation where bad things happen, even if he didn't do it. Yeah, that was when he learned that lesson. Yeah, and you're probably older than other kids, but yeah, spectrum, but yeah, for this kid, like who knows, that could have been like, yeah, the scary police officer. But yeah, that nice lady told me that I'm not responsible, you know yeah about his dad.
Speaker 2:And you never know what those kinds of comments like I don't think every conversation is going to be a life changer.
Speaker 1:But you don't know yeah.
Speaker 2:And you don't know what's going on with anyone else.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Little 11-year-old kid or shitty name. He's got some really big feelings that he is not able to express you know Like he was 10 or 11 or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, apparently, like when the grandparents turned up, they're like you've done it now. That was the first thing they said. And they're like we haven't even finished paying off what you've done to the school yet. So I'm like, what did they do at the school? I kind of want to know, like give me the gossip. That's what I first thought. Don't stop there. Yeah, yeah, this is terrible, but at the same time. Human nature, yeah, but yeah, this may have been the time like getting yelled at by that cop.
Speaker 2:Hopefully it sets a little guy straight. I doubt that it helped the friend oh God, we're not talking about. She gave a job. Friend was yeah. Yeah, sometimes they get lost very quickly and you know it takes something way scarier for them to turn their life around.
Speaker 2:Everyone knows people like that. Yeah, yeah, it's awful to see at that age, but yeah, anyway, and it is horrible when you see it and you see those kids and you're like, yeah, you're way gone and you're 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can just see it. It's horrible, yeah, yeah, anyway, I think we should take a break Me too. Yes, all right, let's stop. So witchy update. Do you want to start? I feel like I've done a lot of talking, so that's okay. All right, you probably have more to talk about and you might prompt me to think of things as well, okay, uh, well, let's start with the weird part first I like weird, um.
Speaker 2:So I randomly, I went away for a work conference and I picked up a book, completely on a whim, on yaoi's oh, yep, yeah, yeah. And I read it and by the end of it I was completely tinfoil hat, complete believer. I think they're real, I think they exist, I think they're in the Australian bush Tangent, tangent. Okay. So I really want to get like sarah bignall, who runs the. There's a yaoi podcast called yaoi central and she actually believes in working with yaois in like spiritual ways and I like would really love to get her on to talk to us about that particular thing. If she'll talk to us. So yeah, I just love listening to all the stories. So, like, yaoi's is an energy, both and a creature. Yeah, right, okay. So the Indigenous people in certain areas. So there aren't many yaoi stories from Tasmania. In fact, there's only like two. I don't know whether that's just because people aren't going out in these areas as much, or is it like it's the stories that are told that could be about yaoi's depending.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna ask your yeah definition of.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, um, so the way the story is told it's it's people don't know that it's that entity or kind of creature. Yeah, in tasmania, like it's put in a different way, maybe, maybe there's some theories or something. There's some theories that they never made it down to tassie, like with the land bridge and things like that. Um, although I did read on the Facebook page that someone had an encounter near just below Margate, near Snug somewhere. Oh yeah, but that's separate to the official report. Okay, yeah, so I don't really know. Okay, a lot of the stories talk about seeing like a lot of the Indigenous people that have been on the podcast have talked about how they are real beings and that they do exist in the bush. They're just really good at hiding. They tend to like to live in really like deep scrub and they tend to only come out usually to scare people away if they shouldn't be there, that kind of thing. So encounters are much less likely already if it's a type of creature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, musical, yeah Hairy man, is this kind of like a? Would you not exactly equate? Because you can't but like Bigfoot Yeti, oh, same Same yeah, same same yeah. So it could be a spiritual. Some people think it's alternate dimension.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah all of that stuff, all that applies.
Speaker 2:So, like people will talk, like on the podcast I've talked about, yeah, always disappearing in front of them like standing in front of them. Yeah, okay, and there was this beautiful. I don't think she's an elder, but she goes by Aunty and she Aunty. Was it Luna? Aunty, Luna, and she was talking about how they're almost like beings who look after the forest and they keep things in check.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like some people say Bigfoot is bad or does Like they have that affinity with trees and they can draw energy from trees or a few different things like that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's also stories about someone meeting a little hairy. So there's big hairy men and little hairy men, and they're different species for a better word.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:It's not like young and old. No, it's different, it's actually different creatures of whatever variety you want to think of them in? Yeah, okay, cool. So the little ones have been associated with children and healing children. So, and then there's also. She talks with this shaman, like he uses the term shaman I know that's controversial, yeah, but he's actually been living somewhere in Europe working with people, learning all the techniques and stuff, and he's actually met, like Yowies in healing people, australian people, oh yeah, like in the spirit realm.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's what I was going to ask, yeah, so attached, not attached.
Speaker 2:That's not the right word.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he's met an Australian person and healed them and through and they had a yowie friend. Yeah, okay, let's spoiler alert. It's sarah who hosts the podcast, okay, um, so I'd really love to get her on to talk about that, so I found I found all that really interesting.
Speaker 2:yeah, I like when I go out, I like look for yaoi signs, when I'm like bushwalking um, but I'm never in anywhere so dense that you know it's appropriate, but yeah, so it's kind of like I've been really enjoying that. Um, I actually someone, someone bitched to another friend about how that's all I ever talk about now, and that person told me so that's really funny. So now, and then person told me so that's really funny. So now, and then I told Luke, and now whenever we're hanging out he calls him Yowie. So it's really fucking funny. If you're listening, it's about you Love it, I love it. Yeah, so obsessed that's my new obsession, other witchy stuff and I put that in my spiritual arena because, like I totally am, I'm completely there. I really want to read this Yorker book now.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, to see how you got from that to something really interesting and not at all related and I wasn't even going to talk about this and I probably won't really, but you told me a little while ago that you sort of you were fascinated by yaoi, probably right at the beginning at one point, just very briefly, and I'd completely forgotten about that. So I'm happy to hear more, and now more interested than I was before, because you just said about the Sarah Bignall and having her on.
Speaker 1:If we can get her.
Speaker 2:I don't know, we will ask the idea that's it. Yeah, it's just been spoken aloud, that's all yeah, and she doesn't know I exist, no, but I love her. Yeah, admiration all right, but completely separate from that and sort of related, but not really I. I've started like I watched this and it turned out to be fake and it kind of upset me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was still a really good like TV series. Yeah, about a supposedly true like Bigfoot in an area and they investigated it and, yeah, in the end they had to exercise it to get rid of it. So it was a spiritual creature. It was done really well, yeah, but I was like, oh, it's not real. So I was a little bit disappointed. That wasn't that doll thing, was it? No, no, did you watch that? I don't know. Probably it was about the possessed doll. Which one? Why she looks it up. I really like this show. It was like, although it was called Killer Alaskan Bigfoot, oh, like an actual Bigfoot.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I've had a bit of a thing for Bigfoot since.
Speaker 1:And it was completely unrelated.
Speaker 2:I was like I know, yao, he's like I wonder, you know, I wonder, are they here? Like it's so fascinating. I haven't done as deep dive as Liz. I just watched his show and it was like it was kind of scary, but kind of not then, because I watched a few episodes and then realised it was not real and unfortunately looked it up to check and it was not real. Oh, that's really disappointing, but it was really good it and it was not real. Oh, that's really disappointing, but it was really good, it was really well done.
Speaker 2:But the other thing was I thought I recognised one of the people in it from another show that was clearly also not real. So I was like you're an actor and I'm sad. Now, anyhoo, I love this so much that you're trying to find this thing. It's like this doll that someone found in the forest and brought home and they end up figuring out that it's yeah and the Catskills. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, catskills, yeah, the Crone of Catskills, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one I've heard about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. The documentary yeah. The Crone of the Catskills yeah, it's actually kind of fun, not if I don't know how much I believe in what they've done, but well, I believe anything. Let's face it I'm gullible as I believe in Bigfoot slash.
Speaker 1:Yowies now Yowie slash Yeti.
Speaker 2:Slash, you know, whatever else you want to chuck in. So you know, it's kind of like it's really fascinating to watch it. And when I went and did the ghost hunt that I went and did the paranormal investigation, which you will talk about in a minute because I want to hear more about it. But keep going A couple of weeks. Yeah, like they used some of the techniques in that documentary that we used on the paranormal investigation, which was really cool. I've watched a lot of ghost hunting. Yeah, ghost adventures, yeah, all of the like, any of those scary TV shows that are quote unquote like real. Yeah, tv shows that are quote-unquote like real, yeah, I can't stand the movies because they go out to scare you but the, again quote-unquote, real. Yeah, like Ghost Adventurers. There's one called Kindred Spirits which I really like, but they go out to find the story behind why there is a ghost.
Speaker 2:Oh I like that, and then they communicate with that person as a human. Is that the one with the two women? No, a guy and a woman, okay, and they don't exercise it, but they essentially ask them. You know, why are you here? What do you want? Do you want information or to take a message to someone? We'll finish your business for you essentially and yeah, at least in the ones they show. Yeah, yeah, they quell it they. I don't like the ones where they razz them up, I think that's gross.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they're just I find them kind of funny now because I've watched so many and it's just like yeah, you're an idiot yeah and they go in and they, they're so afraid all the time and it's just just like yeah, I wonder why we're sceptics.
Speaker 2:But you're going in and you antagonise them, those guys now, after all those seasons, they're totally you can tell they believe all of it. But it's just like you're going there expecting to be afraid get some good TV and get an attachment, and it's like so guess what's going to happen. Because you believe it's going to happen, but they do get good TV. Well, that's good. That's something. I don't know how I feel about that. Anyway, yeah, yeah, I had. No, I did not know what I thought Bigfoot slash Yowie, slash Yetis were at all.
Speaker 2:And then I watched this doc and I thought I'd be more interested now. Yay, Even if you weren't real.
Speaker 1:I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it piqued my interest and yeah, so sort of after you, but in tandem, yeah, yeah yeah, sort of yeah, not as intently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think I just love big hairy creatures, but Luke's not a big hairy creature. No, I'm mucked up there, but I almost like boys with long hair. So that kind of Okay, yeah, I see where we're going. Sure, yeah, so that was it. That was my tangent for that. Back to your next thing. Uh, there was something. Oh, listen to, um, yaoi central. I found it and I've added it, but I haven't.
Speaker 2:I wanted one on, like yaoi spirituality that's why, and I looked through, it's like you're not, you're just talking about yaoi's and at the that time, yeah, I was like not as interested now yeah, probably yeah, it's really good to listen from the start because you get well. It starts about episode 50 because the first 50 episodes aren't on there. It's really interesting to watch Sarah's evolution through the process yeah, cool yeah. That's cool, I like that yeah yeah, especially between like episode like the early 50s to like 126.
Speaker 1:Like. So like the early 50s, to like 126.
Speaker 2:Like she's definitely gone down the spiritual. Ah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, other thing I've been doing. So my friend, he has been working with the PGM, the Greek Magical Propriety stuff.
Speaker 2:So he started with Hecate and been working with Hecate for a while and then that led him to that okay, so he's been doing some of Jack Grail's courses and things like that yeah, in in like, and because I wanted to do more work with um, deity and and spirits and stuff, I ended up doing Sarita's Hecate course, just so I could learn some techniques that I could then take and work with the Norse gods and things like that.
Speaker 1:So I started doing that.
Speaker 2:So you're still going towards the Norse at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I still am. So I'm still doing work with them, but, like you know, with the Norse stuff it's not like you do work with the gods all the time you know you can, but yeah yeah, so we.
Speaker 2:So I did that. I started doing that course with sarita, and then every full moon a new moon this friend and I would go down to the river and you know he would call hecate or celine, and then I started having dreams about hecate. Okay, so hecate has now made an appearance in my life, um, and so I've been working with her a little bit, uh, as well as some of the Norse gods, so, um, and I've also been working with land spirits, particularly the Huon River, and spending a lot of time with the Huon. So every Sunday I go down to the river and do some work with the river. So, yeah, so, like spiritually, I've actually been fairly active, yeah, so that's been kind of fun and cool and, yeah, I've been enjoying it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, do you do anything really structured or do you just go and hang out, do a lot of invocations and then just meditate and just feel into the energies? It's not necessarily like I'm working with, it's like it's more like shouting out the window hi, come and hang out for a while. Yeah, it's like being with and just being in that space. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, it is cool. So yeah. So I was going to say has it changed what? You do a lot, but it's probably made me more active, yeah, rather than like I feel like I could do something more regularly, I guess, because it's like at least once or twice a week, depending on where the moon phase is. So yeah yeah, sounds really good. No, it's been really good. Yeah, it's been nice to do stuff with someone else. Yeah, so I've done like a whole heap of stuff that I would never would have normally done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, has a lot to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I'm just taking some of those technologies and using them in different ways. I've been using ChatGBT to help me write things, so that's been really cool. Oh yeah, um yeah, so good, like seriously, if you're like out there and you're struggling with words for putting an invocation together, or you're just short on time, but want something yes, like nicely worded, not just yeah hey, how are you like?
Speaker 2:I will literally write everything I want to say and then I'll just say can you please make this more structured and and you know more coherent, essentially? And then it will rewrite it Half the time it rewrites it as a rhyme and I'll be like I really hate rhyming, can you try again? And so it will rewrite something else for me, and I've been as blunt as to say can it be in a PGM style? And it does. It's smart enough to know what that would look like. Yeah, just to go and find it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So like, yeah, it's really cool. Like, if you ever need to write something like that and you kind of know what you want to say, use ChatGVT. It's really useful. Yeah, that's awesome yeah.
Speaker 2:I love that you're bringing ChatGVT. I've been calling ChatGVT my new best friend. I'll be at work and I'll be looking up stuff for work and I'm like I don't even know what that means and I'll just be like I'm just going to go ask my best friend. We're supposed to use Copilot, but ChatGVT is better. Copilot has so many like you can't ask it as much, at least we can't with our.
Speaker 2:We're supposed to use Copilot as well because, it's referenced, yeah, yeah, that's why we're supposed to use it as well for the references. But I just find that, like when it tries to be creative, it becomes stupid, like where ChatGBT will still do it within, like a yeah, not as so. Like oh, I went through a hill and there were fairies and you're like this is ridiculous. I'm asking about a work thing. It's artificial dumb. It's artificial dumb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I still use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great for writing emails. Co-pilot yeah, yeah, I think that's what I found when I've used it. Yeah, I hadn't thought to put to ask for it, to ask for it to ask for words, because usually I'm not lost for words in that way. No, that's something I don't have, but sometimes I'm just, you know, not it doesn't come like you sort of sort of have to be in the mood for it to be right yeah just off the bat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so time pressures it doesn't work. Yeah, and it's. It's a good starting place, like you know, just because I've written something that I've been using, um, I've been using this, something that I put together for Frigg, like I literally put in everything that I want to mention and asked it to write it and it, you know like I've modified it. It's not like I've just taken it or I've worked with it and gone, oh, this bit, you know, doesn't really do what I want. So, yeah, let me change that and yeah, but it's, I found it really successful and that's cool. Yeah, yeah, use all the tools. You're just doing this all.
Speaker 2:So that's me witchy side. Mine's not as exciting. In some ways I've been thinking a lot about what, what I would say, because when Liz says, yeah, let's do a catch-up episode, let's, let's do the pod again and we'll do a catch-up episode, I was like, great, yes, definitely, I want to. I don't have anything to say. But I've been thinking about it and trying to, you know, actually not just bluntly say I haven't done anything. I haven't done anything really structured.
Speaker 2:Um, we in our break, between the two halves of our recording, I talked a lot to Liz about all my work stuff that's been happening. That was like two and a half hours. It was just a short break, a short break. We did have lunch as well. So you know we haven't been talking. For now I'm not gonna say, yeah, um, that's fine.
Speaker 2:But so I was thinking about what I'd say and like what update I would give to Liz, because I'm like I haven't really. I've been so busy with work and with some study I'm doing that I haven't done anything really structured and I feel really bad. But then I thought about it more and I think, when I don't know like I want to do some more structured work definitely, but I think my not so so much beliefs, but my feelings around how I perceive things are really really really different now and I find that the really rare times that I do do like a structured spell or some structured kind of working, it has really good results, because it's usually because I'm so either elated by something or crapped off by something. I mean, crapped off is a great thing, oh yeah, I've done some. There's always a very intense result, but that's because of the emotion and the, the, the intention behind it, because it's always so strong. So, yeah, you'd expect something to happen. But outside of that, I don't really do a lot of structured workings and for quite a while I thought, well, I'm not a very good witch. Very good, I'm not a very good witch.
Speaker 2:But when and I suppose in some ways I'm not I don't want to say I'm not a witch, but I'm my thinking about it is really different now to what it was. And because I do so many things without thinking about it, like, naturally I have some, I suppose some abilities which I don't even often don't even think about as like witchy or psychic or spiritual kind of abilities. They're just stuff that happens to me. I haven't really thought about it as being something that anyone would well, that anyone would want to know about on the podcast, because it's just something that happens. So I've talked about some of it. But I guess, when I was thinking about it on the bus to work one day as one does, on the bus to work one day as one does I thought that I'm much more like of a I suppose I call myself an animist now I'm an animist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't really partake in the the more structured workings anymore because I don't need to. I'd like to like to have more time, and I will soon because I haven't got much more of the study left. But yeah, and when I thought about that and just acknowledged that and and was just observing, like it just felt really right and it was the right thing to do, and just acknowledging the different energies of, you know, the tree as we went past, and then the street sign and how that reacted and the feelings that I got.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh yeah, this is just, this is okay, this is just what you are. I don't know that may not be a big revelation to you. You may have thought that before for yourself or about me. I don't know. That may not be a big revelation to you. You may have thought that before for yourself or about me, I don't know but for me it was just yeah, it was just an acknowledgement of everything as being alive and that I don't have to do anything to connect with it.
Speaker 1:Like it's just there anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah there's a really oh, is it freda arca?
Speaker 2:someone? Someone talks about how you know people will be sitting there and they'll be like calling a spirit and they're calling and calling, calling spirits. Been there for five minutes and they haven't noticed. And they're like I'm here, what do you want? And it's like you're still calling me like, yeah, like they want. They want some kind of big overt yeah yeah, yeah you know, my wand moved or, like I don't know, a huge gust of wind came through and obviously that spirit's here now, but it's hardly ever like really like that yeah yeah, yeah, and it's not even about it, like it's usually not a physical thing that you see, or it's just something that you feel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is something you feel, or even sometimes it's. You have to go to them to find them. They're not just going to come when you call them. Usually they do, though I mean you have to put in some, you have to put in some effort, although to me, surprisingly it's not. It doesn't feel like a lot, you've just got to put in the time. Yeah, I think that's more important than anything else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for me, I feel, like with the river initially, like I'd turn up and you know, I'd do the call and and then I'd feel into the energy and often, like the first few times, you don't get a lot, like it's just that. And as time's gone on, I can just go down the river now and I'm like, oh, the river's here. Like, not the river, the river's obviously there. Yeah, the spirit of the river is, yeah, like I don't have to call it, it's there. Like, yeah, it's interesting, because there's been a few times, especially when I was, you know, newer to this or just younger in general and if I put a call out to something specific. Yeah, I wouldn't get an answer. Yeah, but now it's more like I go there and I don't even have to call. It's just I think about it and yeah there it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it may not always be.
Speaker 2:It may just be like, oh yeah, whatever, and then they go because they're not interested, because it's like I've never met you before. Got to make a connection yeah, but it's more like an interaction, much like a person. So it's like you go there and you know they're there and you can connect with them, but they may not be interested yeah yeah, so for me, I don't get nothingness now, yeah, but I do get brushed off yeah, yeah, I guess which is fair.
Speaker 2:I guess that's what I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't really mean the, not the. The energy is just there and you know, it and you can feel it sometimes really strongly, yeah, but it ain't interested in you. It's like uh okay, I gotta, I gotta, yeah you. You're gonna need some whining and dining before I can talk to you, yeah, yeah, nice introduction yeah, and I don't know. I just acknowledging that it is just like that. Yeah, it's not lesser, because you haven't done the full circle and sat down and gone.
Speaker 2:I never do circles anymore. Yeah, but it's to me, it's now not, it's so much easier. Yeah, it's just you go there or you just are anywhere riding on the bus to work in the morning and just like who's here, and you feel you've set up a boundary for yourself. But that's as simple as saying this is where I end and you begin, and then you see who's there and that's it, like there's a connection of a kind yeah, it's not difficult anymore. I know, and like I've noticed that when I call certain spirits, I feel them in different ways. When I say I work here with my friend, we actually do different things. We just happen to be in the same space. Oh, that's interesting, I like that. Yeah, so, um, you do you do workings in the same space together? Oh, that's interesting, I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, um, you do, you do workings in the same space, but you're not doing the same work no, because if you can call it a work obviously interested in the greek egyptian stuff and I am interested in more of the norse, and the only thing we cross over with is hecate. So he's yeah, he'll do a call, I'll do a call and like, while he's doing his call, I'm still feeling into the energy, I'm just not you're acknowledging that it's there, but you're not there.
Speaker 1:I'm not there to work with that.
Speaker 2:I feel like hecate ended up being different because I did sarita's course, yeah, and so, yeah, anyway, side side bit, uh, yeah, so like when I call, like certain things or I'm talking to certain things, I feel the energy in different places of my body. Okay, which is really interesting, yeah, yeah. You know how people always say, oh, you could get a hanger on or you know something, you don't want to interact. I've never really worried about that too much. I used to worry about stuff like that, but I just I have had things try and like even in this house. I don't know what it is about my front bedroom, but it's weird in there. I don't think I should actually be sleeping in there, but that's beside the point.
Speaker 2:But you do, but I do because I put my bed in there because, yeah, things have tried to come into the house. Yeah, basically through that window, yeah, through the front of the house, and I've chased them away.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Chased them away spiritually. I suppose yeah, and you know, done protections and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:But you know, and I sort of I go through and if I'm having like a difficult time or watch too many ghost hunting tv shows and frighten myself, it's usually different. Well, no, it's not that when I feel like if I go too far down the rabbit hole or something, it's a bit scary. Yes, it's part partly psyching myself out, but it's also like your defenses are lowered because you're frightened and so they take the opportunity. So your energy is like in a lower state, so things that are not so good will come in. And it's not that you have to be love and light all the time.
Speaker 2:You're going to have bad, just bad days. You're going to be in bad moods, you're going to have lower energy. That's natural and normal because you can't be in such a high energy state all the time. I don't think anyway. But I think my energetic awareness generally is so much better now, and I think that might be partially because I've had some very difficult times in my work and I now manage people, yeah, and so it's made me really aware of people's energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially when their words and their energy don't match, and then their actions and their energy and their words are all different. That's interesting, but like my point, is I just a little bit or a lot?
Speaker 2:I don't know maybe a lot better at sensing different things around that. Yeah, okay, and just knowing and just being able to put up a barrier and being pretty impenetrable, so far at least, and that's, I don't know. That's all that I need to do. Yeah, yeah, you're using it in a more naturally, you don't? Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1:It's just naturally stronger for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but I haven't done anything to do that. Yeah, yeah, it's just awareness of it has made it be able to use it better. Yeah, not erratically. Well, what do they say? The best, the best curse you can do is just tell the person they're cursed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I suppose that's kind of where I'm at now. I don't have to not always, I don't have to do anything. If I want to connect with energy, I can just do it, which is, in some ways, I think it's kind of the goal. I don't know if everyone would agree, but, like for me, it feels like it's so much more natural to sort of not step into spirit or be completely off, you know, off the planet kind of thing. Yeah, but to switch your awareness from like the physical to the spiritual is now much easier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's still legitimate and I think that was the problem I was having mm-hmm because I felt it or had a random thought or just a random feeling. I didn't believe it. Yeah, now, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the last couple of years. And then what? And that's yeah, because of my work and stepping up into a much more difficult role for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so for a little while that also didn't feel legitimate, because it's like you're connecting this with that and they're completely unrelated. Nah, you're there, you're related. It's like one of a better way of putting it. Stepping into a leadership role at work like my power in my work meant that my spiritual stuff was suddenly completely clear and I didn't need any of these other support structures just to do things that I should be able to just do by now.
Speaker 2:Well not, really not should. Instead of using things as like, like a prop, yeah, to prop me up. Yeah, by stepping into my power at work, it meant that I could step into my power spiritually, yeah, no, they're like, not related at all yeah, but by doing one, I could do the other yeah, yeah and it was.
Speaker 2:It felt legitimate. So I felt I stepped up spiritually before. But I questioned it. Yeah, okay, but by seeing I could do it in the reality, like, yes, I can lead a group, no matter how much the group want to be led or not led Liz laughs, she knows what I mean it meant that I could do it in other ways as well. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I suppose in a way I've made a lot of progress, even though I don't, it feels like I have yeah I suppose seeing it in reality meant that I could do it in something in a real personal way yeah, that makes sense, yeah yeah, yeah, well, it's exciting.
Speaker 2:It is exciting. Yeah, it's harder to, it's probably less exciting for people listening because it's kind of hard to conceptualize, but it's really interesting thinking about, because I hadn't really put it all together. But thinking about, yeah, doing something, stepping up in one area of your life, maybe a really physical area like your work and then suddenly all of these changes spiritually that happen, even if you're not like I haven't done hardly anything at all besides noticing energy and just literally, when I'm feeling challenged at work, say just going oh, I need a bit of help, like spirits of my house, spirits of this area, you know, come and give me a bit of a hand please.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you can kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm really a bit desperate now. So, yeah, and it's, and I got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, and I just had acknowledged my work growth, yeah, which is really exciting. There's some great things happening and that's wonderful. But, yeah, when I was thinking about the podcast, I was like I don't have anything to update anyone about and it's been a long time. And meanwhile, spiritually, yeah, heaps of change and growing, but I thought it was all not really related. Yeah, no, I think it's really easy for us to separate those two areas of our lives and not sync them up like, yeah, but they really are, because we're one person.
Speaker 1:We're one person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, or maybe some people are more than one person. If you're more than one person, that is okay you are allowed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're a two-spirit person, you go similar to you with, like, your personal growth. I kind of feel like working with hecate has given me this confidence that I didn't have before, like particularly around working with spirits and, yes, yeah, like ghosts and things like that, I'm not as worried by them anymore. When liz said she went on a ghost hunt, I was like what's wrong with her, what's happened? Is she okay? Where has liz gone? What has she done? Yeah, it doesn't worry me anymore. Like it doesn't. It doesn't, um, it doesn't phase me in the same way. I still don't. I oh well, I suppose I sort of said it, but I pick up on the energies of a place more and I sort of have more of an awareness and a focus on that now. So when I go into a place, rather than saying I've walked into this building or this room, yeah, it's more, it's like my awareness is bigger. Yeah, and that lady did say I have that huge aura. I still think about that sometimes.
Speaker 1:I was really unwell as well, so I don't know if that played a part in it.
Speaker 2:I want to have another like aura reading and see if. I still have a giant aura. I tried to go back to her when I went to Sydney and she's not there anymore. I don't know where she is. We'll have to find someone who will read our auras for us, yeah.
Speaker 2:Put a call out and I'm going to answer this. It's fine, that's okay, but I mean with that, like one way I cleanse my house is I just push all the negative energy out with my aura and I protect it, protect my whole house. So that's probably why my aura is so massive. Yeah, I still do that, and I know there's a few spirits in this house. I think they're animals more than I don't think there's people. There's a spirit in my mum's house though. Yeah, there's a few.
Speaker 2:Actually, there's a man who walks up and down the hallway. We think it's one of the grandfathers. Oh, at least it's a relative.
Speaker 1:It's not scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mum kept for a very long time my mum thought it was my brother, Uh-huh, just coming in and walking up the hallway, yeah, but he'd always sort of go in and go up the hallway past his own bedroom. I was like why, yeah, yeah, and at first she was like I was going to the bathroom.
Speaker 1:I thought that too yeah.
Speaker 2:And then it had sort of stopped outside the bedroom I used to have. So that was a bit creepy and that would be it and he wouldn't go back. Yeah, so like go, because the bathroom's a bit past my bedroom it's really small, so it's like steps for those.
Speaker 2:You know Liz has been to my house but listeners wouldn't have been. But you know it's like two steps from my bedroom door like to the bathroom, so it's not exactly far. But you know my brother's a big guy, you'd hear him take those few steps. Nah, they'd just walk up and stand outside my bedroom, gross. But it was never scary. Yeah, that's good, that's good, but it was weird, yeah, and that they continued to do it when I wasn't there. It sort of gave me a bit of comfort.
Speaker 2:So, because your mom lives there alone now, right, oh, your brother's still there but yeah, so mom's, my brother's still there, so it's yeah it's not unusual for her to think that he's come home. Yeah, just those big, heavy footsteps and they walk up the hallway from the front door and then stop outside the bedroom door that I had, and they've done that for quite a while.
Speaker 2:They were still doing it when I was there, but because there was the three of us in this little little house, I didn't quite realise it wasn't us. And then it's like, oh, there's no one here and there's someone else here. Okay, okay, we're cool, we're cool, you're cool, we're cool, we're all cool, it's fine, it's fine. So I don't know if she says it's two things. It's one of the grandfathers to calm herself down. I would go with that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I've been there, I've heard it. Yeah, it's not scary, it's just like, oh, it's that person, and you sort of hear them go past and you wait. No, the bedroom doors are open. Oh, it's just the ghost. It's just the ghost, it's fine, it's just normal. Yeah, they live normal. Yeah, they live here. They've been here so long, always like your whole life, I don't think my whole life, but yeah, no, just more recently but, I mean more recently, like 10 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, sorry, yeah, yeah, I don't really know who it is, but it it's not scary. Yeah, yeah, cool, yeah, yeah, I like that, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's cool.
Speaker 2:I don't know who he is. Yeah, it has to be a guy because it's big. You know it's heavy footstep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not aggressive. Well, that's good. Yeah, I mean the bedroom there, the bedroom here. Have you ever noticed that the common factor is you?
Speaker 2:It's my bedroom yeah, have you ever noticed? Yeah, me, thanks, I go. Oh yeah, my bedroom this says you Thanks, you're welcome, you're welcome. Thanks, you're welcome, we're good friends. Yeah, I wouldn't say that to anyone, just anyone. All right, do you want to play some? Not play, but answer some weird questions? I'll try. Okay, so these questions full disclosure, gbt and co-pilot. So if they suck, they suck. If they suck, I'm not answering it. Okay. First question you just read it out and it makes no sense. It's like yeah, that was co-pilot, what was that? And literally I just covered it and posted it on a Word doc and went we'll go with that. Okay, so what was your first incantation, spell or ritual, known like knowing what I was doing?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah, I mean. Like you know, kids often play incantations and make things happen?
Speaker 2:probably so yeah, yeah, I was trying to think of the first one. I did accidentally, yeah, and that was hard. Either, or you can go with whichever you like. I suppose knowing what it was would have been when I was like 16 or 17,. I would have tried out some of the incantations or spells when I was very first learning about witchcraft. When I wrote that essay, oh yeah, and I was like I'm going to about witchcraft. When I wrote that essay, oh yeah, and I was like I'm gonna do witchcraft, that's a religion, right, sure? And like I tried them, not believing that anything would really happen, just some of the ones that I read in, like I think it was a little white book, which I actually have a copy of it now that I borrowed from the library, and it was like traditional Celtic witchcraft or something one of those little introductory books.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah. My mum founded an op shop and bought me a copy many years later. She didn't know it was one of those, like my first book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, it just happened to be.
Speaker 2:It was probably the same copy from that from that library. They'd gotten rid of it. Like we don't want this in our religious school anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was public library, that was public library, public library, but it was just old yeah by then but yeah, so I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I do remember I tried out like some of the and like part of the circle casting. Yeah, that book yeah, I'll try and find what it was and put it in the notes. Hannah's best book. Yeah, yeah for the podcast but, yeah, I know I tried something out of that.
Speaker 2:I don't remember anything happening, but I liked how it felt yeah yeah, and that was when I really first thought there's something to this. But yeah, reading about it made me happy and it made me feel good, and I don't know, reading through play, acting almost part of this ritual, yeah, felt cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so some energy happened. Oh, that's cool, I like that yeah yeah, yeah, it's like let's pretend to do this. Oh, it feels really awesome, something's happening. I can feel things happening, I don't know what it is I'm not telling anyone ever about this.
Speaker 2:It's so embarrassing. I'm so 16 or 17, however, and now, like 23 years later, here we are. Here we are telling you all about something that we used to be embarrassed about. What about you? Your turn? I was thinking about it while you were talking.
Speaker 1:I think my first one.
Speaker 2:It was on my own and I went out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this was on my own, obviously, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I went outside and I, when the sun was rising and you know, grew up in the country, so like it was pretty quiet, yeah, I think I cast a circle and just sat outside. Did you know, like, did you know that it was religious or spiritual? Yeah, so I had started looking stuff up on the internet by that stage. I didn't. When I first started, it was in 1998. Then, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, I was still books, because we just couldn't afford to get it. I wanted it, I wanted the net, so bad I did it at school. They hadn't locked it down at that stage. Ah, yeah, so we had a computer lab that you could go into and, um, yeah, they had like five computers. Now it's like that's a normal classroom. Yeah, that's a shitty classroom with not many resources. Now why do you have this big box in here? Um, yeah, so that that was my first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and obviously I stuck with it. So, yeah, and it's kind of interesting because I think about when I started I was, I was way more interested in the animus side of things and I got really distracted by the wicker and witchcraft and all of that stuff. Yeah, me too, and I feel like I've gone back to this place that I started in. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I really relate to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah so it's kind of like you read about all the possible. Well, you me, you do.
Speaker 2:I'll say I get it yeah, the generic you the generic other person but also me yeah so I'd read about all of this like the, the, the, yes, the physical, yeah, tools and and then all these techniques and these different beliefs and systems and patheons and all of that stuff, and I was like, oh, that's so cool and I want to work with everybody, everything, it's all really cool, and then you sort of pick a few and you go down that path and then it's like this is great and it's great.
Speaker 2:And then it's like where do I go? What am I working towards with all of this stuff? Yeah, the stuff, part of it, the stuff, it is stuff.
Speaker 1:A lot of it is stuff.
Speaker 2:It's extra bits and pieces that make it fun or help you when you need that, and that's fine and you can work with that your whole life, and that is perfectly legitimate. Yeah, but I wanted something a bit more than that. Yeah, I guess or no, that's the wrong way to put it I wanted it to be more free-flowing through my whole life in a way that's spirituality, right yeah, in a way, but in a way that was very natural to what I am right now.
Speaker 2:So, like, in some ways and this is really weird I think I talked to you or my mum just you know today, yeah, and said I'm much more career focused than I ever thought I would be. I enjoy my work and I want to push forward and you know, I don't mind taking on responsibility and that's important for me. Can you hear the Capricorn coming out of my paws right now?
Speaker 1:spilling out everywhere.
Speaker 2:My work is my life? No, it isn't. That's terrible. I don't think anyone, even a Capricorn, should be like that. It's my Capricorn rising, I should say, and hardcore, but I wanted to be able to work within that as well. So my spiritual side is really important and I knew I needed it to be a fuller person, but I wanted it to flow through everything else, that I did not be compartmentalised so much. I mean, yeah, the ultimate for me would be to work in something where I could make money, maybe with something that follows along with what I believe, I guess. Yeah, but right now I work in a library. Yeah, that's what I do. Yeah, and in some ways it does go along with my beliefs. But yeah, that's a whole other side of the topic Library spirituality?
Speaker 2:Well, not. It's helping people learn and connect with who they are through progress in knowledge and resources at their fingertips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, got sidetracked. Yeah, got sidetracked. Um, but yeah, I wanted it to be there as, instead of like as the nice to have sprinkled on the top that you got to do when everything was going okay. It was more like I was at the bottom of everything and is support. It supports everything else, like my spirituality, and I guess for some people this sounds really like you had to think about that, hannah.
Speaker 1:Why Duh?
Speaker 2:But the ways I did it. Like I said before, I questioned and it didn't feel legitimate. It felt like I was just playing around or I wanted to be this way or it felt a bit forced, I suppose. Yeah, but when I just let the energy of everything be what it was and accepted that that's how it was and that's how I was, then suddenly it was all fine, I didn't need to do anything. Yeah, I can't remember the point I was actually getting to, but that was my point yeah, that's enough yeah, stop it.
Speaker 2:I'll stop now because I forget where I was going okay, who do you admire in the witchcraft spiritual community can be fictional or non-fictional or both. You mean real or not. Real or not real. This is contemporary and I'm like I don't have to be contemporary. Who do I admire? That's a tough one. Yeah, that is a tough one. Who do I admire spiritually? I have to think about that. Okay, do you have someone you go?
Speaker 2:massive, massive, like pagan crush on katie gerard so uh, she is from the uk and she works with nordic stuff, um stuff, just stuff. Do you mean, daddy, like she's kind of got an interest in like runes and okay, yeah, you know, spirituality and seeth work and all that kind of stuff, so like that whole basket um and?
Speaker 2:she's, I was like if she was talking about deities and she called them stuff. That's a bit no, it's like the whole package, not just all of it, one tiny little piece of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she also works with like mental health and techniques in that way as well. Oh, that's cool. I like that.
Speaker 2:So like she has both aspects of that, and I really admire how she's put those two things together and uses things like you know how to, like just doing eye movements to help you get into like meditative spaces and things like that. So I kind of love that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah, I suppose, thinking about it I have great admiration for a lot of people especially throughout the community through all the time that I've been calling myself all the various pagan-y things I've called myself over the time, and I always wanted to find someone who had forged the path, a path that I would like to follow fully and, dare I say, commit to. I'm not good at commitment and I was always a little disappointed that I couldn't like fully. There was always something that I was like I don't like that part.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or that just doesn't fit for me.
Speaker 2:It didn't mean it was wrong or even thought any differently of the person. But again, when I and this is a pretty recent thing when I stopped trying to find someone, I realized I didn't need anybody. No, you don't, you really don't. Yeah, so that's why I can't think of anyone right now. Yeah, because I suppose the most, the person actually at the very minute, the person I admire the most is my mum only, because I've always admired my mother. But we can talk about this kind of thing really openly, yeah, and she just is herself totally with this stuff and you know she doesn't talk to many people about it and I won't say anything about her beliefs or anything like that, but she just has them and she goes along. She doesn't know anyone else who has similar and she's perfectly happy like that. And yeah, she'll talk to me, maybe a couple of other people, yeah, and she's perfectly okay with that and I admire that a lot.
Speaker 1:I think that's great yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I've and I still sometimes feel like I should have a group or I should have other people who I want to work with or even talk really openly about it not on the podcast in person. It will take away that barrier of anonymity, yeah, and I felt like, yeah, that I should. But I think my friend who I did the PGM stuff, who does the PGM stuff he's been talking a lot about this with me as well, oh yeah, saying really similar things.
Speaker 2:I'd really love to get him on the podcast actually, um, and he talks a lot about how he's forging his own path at the moment and there's and you hear people say that, and I never, and it always seems to end up that they get a group of people around them, yeah, and so I always wondered about that. How does that happen?
Speaker 1:Which is not bad. It's not saying anything.
Speaker 2:But I always felt like, yeah, I'd go forward and eventually I'd find other people yeah, and that I couldn't find fulfillment unless I found those other people, yeah, who were exactly the same as me. I don't think they exist. No, I honestly don't think they exist and I don't mean that as a there's no one exactly like you, but you are my unique bunny. I do love you and I do admire you too. Thank you, same. But he talks a lot about how there's lots of people he admires in the community. Like I tease him about all his guru boyfriends in the community. Like I tease him about all his guru boyfriends. But you know he doesn't take everything that they say. He listens to what they say, yeah, and he's like, no, that doesn't resonate with me. That's fine. Like, I still admire you. I just don't agree with everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I suppose there's lots of people that I really admire, yeah, but to name someone just right now yeah, there's lots of people that I really admire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but to name someone just right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tricky. Yeah, yeah, fair, that's fair, completely fair, yeah, yeah. What have you got for us next? Chat GTP, even though it's a Word document, okay, this one might like you. Might like you. This one, you might like you. This one, you might like. Fuck's sake, what magical phenomenon delights you in your everyday existence? Um, um, I don't know if I should say this. I'll say my house spirits. Okay, yeah, since liz is in my house right now, I'll just say that the spirits I interact with like almost every day around my house, yeah, and some of them are like living, the spirits of living creatures, and some of them are what I just spirits of living creatures, and some of them are what I just call, like, my house spirits yeah yeah, and my house itself has its own spirit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's just yeah, oh, and birds the spirits of my birds yeah yeah well, you wouldn't feed them if you. I don't like your spirit, but I'll give you some food. So, yeah, like the spirits of living things, I feel like I can feel them more now than I did before and, yeah, more acknowledging that I can do that, yeah, but yeah, just the spirits of the places that I'm at and feeling them there, kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, but mostly around my house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'd actually agree, yeah rather than a I don't know like a phenomenon.
Speaker 2:We both said before we were interested in yaoi slash Bigfoot slash yannis kind of thing.
Speaker 2:The hairy creatures, yes, yeah, the large hairy men, hairy men that are real, not real spiritual, physical, et cetera. But daily delight, yeah, just the what is around me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no same. Like. It's like when I get up and I go outside and the first thing I do when I leave the house is I look to see who's around. So, like I look for my wallabies and I look at the trees and I look at the sunrise and I look at. Sometimes I'll like just stand there and feel like the sun on my skin if it's daylight. Sometimes it's dark when I'm.
Speaker 2:Mostly it's dark when I'm right now it's mostly dark here um but yeah, it's, it's that, that's the thing that I.
Speaker 1:That delights me, yeah more than it, then you know yeah I don't know fairies or yeah, water spirits, yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 2:It's the space that I mean. Yeah, yeah, and it is really like I used to think. You know, I like the birds in my yard and, trust me, they're mostly introduced birds I still love them, sorry, yeah, um, yes, they're invasive species. Um, I do feed them sometimes, but not often because, no, it's not good for them. Uh, but it's also like a spiritual thing. It's the energy of those creatures as well. Like you can, I can almost see it now yeah, and it and it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really love it, yeah. Yeah, I would say when I'm leaving right now because it's quite dark.
Speaker 1:I do look up on the roof to see if my mama and her baby possum are there.
Speaker 2:They're not. They're usually in bed much before I go, but yeah, I do look around for them and I know roughly where they sleep, which is essentially above my bed on that side of the house. Yeah, Maybe they're the reason that that bedroom's weird, but we'll just move on. And I mean it's community, right, it's community. That's more than people.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's your land community, your tree community, your animal community and often, yeah, like I said before, when I'm not feeling so great or I'm worried or frightened myself by watching scary stuff on the television, I'd push my energy out to protect everyone so I can feel them there all the time, because they're included in that protective bubble.
Speaker 2:I create Like it's the whole house and the possum, and all the birds and those trees out the back, the amoebas in the ground yeah, yeah, so we're all one community. And those trees out the back, the amoebas in the ground, yeah, yeah, so we're all one community. And, yeah, they like having me here. Yeah, it's very supportive. Yeah, love that. I love that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, in the enchanted forest of beings, this one must be co-pilot. Which creature do I resemble? Well, we were talking about yaoi slash bigfoot. I don't know. I want to say something awesome, but, but I don't know. If I represent something awesome is representative of myself, I don't know. I don't know. Do you have an idea? Do you have a For me or for you? For either? You, a mermaid? That's weird. No, you're connected to the ocean. I do keep and my mum has had dreams and I've had dreams where people, like we've seen, we've been in groups of people and usually older women and mum's had a few dreams and I've had a couple, but she's had a lot and, like the women, will cry and tell us why did we leave, why did we go across the sea? Why, you know, why did we go so far away? Why, why did we leave our people of the sea. Why did we leave? Why did we go across the sea? Why, you know why did we go so far away? Why? Why did we leave our people?
Speaker 1:of the sea.
Speaker 2:Why did we leave the sea people?
Speaker 2:it's happened really often but also I get claustrophobic when I have water on my face. I have a weird claustrophobia. You're like, I'm glad I'm out of here. Yeah, it's, I was actually. I was thinking about it only a couple of days ago and, yeah, like I, I did learn to swim once. I don't enjoy swimming at all and I can't really swim now. Um, because, yeah, I get claustrophobic if I have water. Like to put my face in the water, not my head, just my face, just your face. Yeah, yeah. So I could probably maybe I'd probably panic now because I haven't done it in so long but I could, like, float on my back and we'll be flying. Yeah, I couldn't get up from it because the water got on my face. Yeah, yeah, and it was because I literally couldn't breathe under the water. No, you can't breathe under the water.
Speaker 2:No, I can breathe under water but it means can't fucking freak me out, that I couldn't and it was like a claustrophobia. So I go as soon as I put my face in the water or like got close to and I have never been able to get over it. So that's why it's like. That's why I said that's weird. I was like I freak out if I have water on my face.
Speaker 2:But I'm really connected to water and I get that Interesting on my face. But I'm really connected to water and I get that interesting. I was like I don't even have to think about that when I know that's so strange because I was like I don't know, I have no idea what about for yourself, for myself, it's always harder when it's yourself. Let me see if I. What do I think? What about for yourself, for myself, it's always harder when it's yourself. Let me see, what do I think? I think something earthy, but cool. But cool, you are a bacteria, you are detritus material, I think like a, like I think an elf okay, mostly because it's still like really connected to the earth, like a tolkien elf, I mean. But there's also like an airy element there as well, and I think that's important that you have both, yeah, otherwise I'll float away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or get so like bogged down in the minutia of and your own thoughts, because, yeah, I'd do that too. I'd be a cave dwell.
Speaker 1:I would be an amoeba.
Speaker 2:Bacteria. I am bacteria. I am the friend amoeba Bacteria. I am bacteria. I am the friend with the funky. I probably would have said cat for myself. So that's really interesting. I thought it had to be magical creature. It doesn't. I'm a prison cat from the Landover novel series who live in the fairy realm. I want to be that. Just make it up for myself. Cooler and cooler each word. I'm re-reading because I've got them as audiobooks, rereading them. I haven't read them since I was a teenager and I'm into the third one and I'm loving Tell me it again the Landover series by Terry Brooks. It's the Magic Kingdom for Sale Sold. You meet the cat? Um, edmund, edmund. I'm so bad when I listen. Something, dirk, he's the prison cat Edgewood, edgewood, edmund. It's close, it's really familiar. But I don't think I've ever read it, which is weird. But I read a lot of stuff when I was little and don't remember much about it.
Speaker 2:I mean he was pretty popular in the 90s and the 80s.
Speaker 1:He did the whole Sword of Shannara series oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so this is his.
Speaker 2:Magic Kingdom series, and the Black Unicorn is one of my favourites Maybe. Okay, I have to look into this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's things clicking in the back of my brain In the lizard part. The audiobook's actually really quite good because the person who is reading it does quite good voices. Except for women they're terrible, but like for everyone else, it's fine. There's clearly the 80s, so there aren't that many female characters. Oh yeah, good point yeah I think sometimes I wonder why, like when I was young, I always wanted to be a boy, because the boy characters did all the awesome stuff, yeah, but also there just weren't any female characters so you know you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, willie's pretty cool. I will say she's pretty cool In the second story. In the first story she might as well not be there. She's not Arwen, is she? She's a little bit of that nature, like that kind of like I exist to be the love interest more than anything else, that kind of yeah, but later on it gets better. Oh good, yeah, was that written like in the later 90s? The later ones? I feel like the first one might have been 89.
Speaker 1:Okay, but.
Speaker 2:I could be wrong, I might have that wrong. I was just thinking the later ones, yeah, got a bit more feminine, yeah, yeah, yeah, this one's quite good. Okay, well, on that, what about mundane animal? Oh, normal animal, what would yours be? A bird of some kind, any kind a bird? I'm a bird person. Okay, well, weirdly, the animal I got for you like image hair. Oh, yeah, I like hairs. Yeah, we don't, really, we don't, we have them, but we do have them. I have seen our hair once here, yeah, tassie yeah one time.
Speaker 2:oh, those heaps of fun. Yeah, you're the wrong end of the state for me to see those and I did just think they were big rabbits for a very long time, with beautiful ears, yeah, and I was like mom, look at that giant rabbit. She's like that's a hare. I'm like it's a rabbit and it's a hare. No, it's a rabbit, it's a hare. I did not understand A-R-E hare at all.
Speaker 1:It's a hare. Yeah, it's a hare.
Speaker 2:And I was like what, it doesn't look like hare at all, it's a rabbit. Yes, I was like what, it doesn't look like hare at all, it's a rabbit. Yes, I was that dense as a child. I had no idea. I was very little then. Sorry, I called the echidnas pineapples. So what do I know? That's awesome. Yeah, porcupines, aussie porcupines. Then I saw a real porcupine. I was like holy shit, they're not anything like that.
Speaker 2:Nothing the same. What about for yourself? I'll be your hair. Oh, what do I say? You're a cat, yeah, yeah, I don't know, I'm very cat-like. I'm like don't touch me unless I want to be touched. Yeah, don't spend time with me unless.
Speaker 1:I want to spend time with you.
Speaker 2:In fact, I'd rather spend 20 hours a day on my own, possibly sleeping for a bunch of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go. So you don't have the heat thing now, that's all right. Yeah, oh well, just go off, right. Yeah, I will Just go off my presents and I won't I feel so much better on them.
Speaker 2:I'll come and heat you with my hair. Don't read that one. The look on your face is enough. Just the way this is worded when darkness threatened to engulf your magical essence. Right, I'm not finishing that, that's okay. Is that an after the recording? This is a good one. I like this, okay. Okay, because, like, I'm very serious, so you know if we have to ask serious questions, no, we don't. Oh, so serious. Okay, when, when it's not even the first word. What did you love most about the place you grew up in, magically speaking, what did you dislike? What did I like that I could see fairies. What did I dislike that I saw other things Scary shit. What do I dislike now that I remember that?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much yeah. And I do remember when I got a bit older, like yeah, like not too long after I started school, I kept it for a little while I was at school, but it didn't take very long for it to teeter out yeah because I got teased, surprise, rude, yeah, um, and then I lost it so really quickly I couldn't see, see anything anymore and I'd go out and I'd stare, like I'd sit and stare at flowers or just bushes, it's like I can see, I can, I can, I can, no, I can't.
Speaker 2:I really know that they're here, I just can't see it but I also would go and like stare at some of my toys and I was like I used to see you move.
Speaker 2:I know I did, you can, you can do that again. Go, go, go, go. No, nothing's happening. I used to try and surprise my toys, like try and walk in on them to catch them moving. Yes, and I think this was before toy stories. So yeah, I did that for a while, yeah, and now it's sort of gone full circle. Now I just think everything has an energy, so it's basically alive anyway. So just talk to it it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. It's true. Your turn, my turn. I didn't love the ghost in our house, even though it didn't know it was there, but I didn't love it. It didn't know you were there. I don't think it knew that it was there it was dead, I don't know. It just used to run down the hallway like one of those impression kind of ghosts doing the oh like an imprint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't love that as a child. Was it a little girl? It was a little girl. I do remember that. Yeah, but that wasn't. You didn't spend your whole childhood in that house, did you? No, I'm just seeing. If I remember right, you don't have to share the story if you don't want to. Yeah, we moved in when I was in grade three and my parents built their house when I was in grade six.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you spent three years with the running ghost, and we used to go there every weekend before then because it's the farm, so Dad had to go up and look after the animals and stuff, even though we lived in a different town. So, yeah, so it was the house on the farm, yeah, but you built another one, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like this old cottage that's like 150 years old now, that's right, yeah, and it was on the property so you could go there once you moved in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, yeah, I do remember Cool, yeah, I do remember, Cool, cool cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't love that. What did I love? I mean, I think I just loved. I would have loved seeing the ghost. I like seeing it. I used to be so scared to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2:It would terrify the crap out of me. Yeah, that, yes, yeah, yeah, I had a very strong bladder by the time I was of a certain age. Yeah, because you're like I'm not getting up, I'm not going out, I'm not going out there, it's like UTI, kidney failure, yeah, yeah, what did I love, I think just you know, growing up on a farm, like just the freedom that that gives you and you get to run around and climb trees and learn about the tree, like I guess in some ways you kind of naturally learn about the spirits of the place yeah infinity for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there, yeah, and you have more freedom. And this was the 80s. Yeah, people didn't know that dangers existed it's like early 90s but yeah, yeah because 84, I was 89, I was four yeah, five yeah, but still it still holds true, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, but I was also scared that the dam had a kraken in it.
Speaker 2:Um, that's interesting. I haven't heard that before, haven't I? Oh yeah, and I was too scared to swim in the dam because I thought there was a kraken in there. I would have been too scared because the fucking water would have got on my fucking face, and I knew that from when I was quite small. At least, that's real though, yeah it's real.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't go in the water because of the water and I wouldn't go in because I was scared of what was under the water. It's like the same. I feel really unnerved even in like the ocean or in rivers and stuff that I'm going to get grabbed by something and pulled down. Do you get it when you can see the bottom? It doesn't matter what it is. That's interesting. Yeah, I knew of, was it my mum? I can't remember, but someone wouldn't go in the water where they couldn't see the bottom because they thought they would be grabbed. Exactly. Yeah, I ended up.
Speaker 2:I once wrote on a TikTok video about mermaids. Do you know about the Australian Indigenous law with mermaids? No, oh, there is, there is some. So there's a TikTok. I deleted my TikTok like three years ago, so I don't remember her username, but she talked about, like mermaid lauren, about, um, a man who, uh, disregarded the fact that it was a women's area okay, yeah, he insisted on going swimming in this, this beach, and he, um, like a beach beach or like a, I don't, I don't remember um and it was a watery area, beach or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was the ocean.
Speaker 2:Right and they kept trying to tell him that he wasn't welcome because he was a dude it's women's only space. And then he got attacked by a mermaid is the story that she shared. It happened within like 10 years of her telling that story. Ah, so it's like memory, not folklore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, living memory yeah.
Speaker 2:Cool. And then I commented on it saying oh, you know, that explains so much because I'm always so scared about being grabbed in water. Maybe I have, like this innate sense of beings, you know, like, and yeah. So anyway, it was really cool. I want to know what they look like. Apparently really scary. Yeah, I don't want to be a mermaid anymore. So Well, I wasn't thinking of that kind. I mean, there's probably there'd be an Indigenous word for it, and she said mermaid in English. So Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know a lot of the actual mermaid-esque creature.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Human part, other animal that lives under the water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not necessarily fish. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of those are freaking scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like they're actually terrifying creatures.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I take it back. I don't want to be a mermaid anymore. I'm thinking I'm going with a more Disney-like mermaid for you. Okay, thanks, you're welcome. I don't know if that helps, but they're really powerful, so I'll go with that. What do you feel is missing in your magical practice? I would like a dedicated sort of structured practice that I do Not very structured, but something that I do every insert amount of time here. Yeah, I would like to work with the moon. Yeah, because it offers a really concrete structure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really does help for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's actually what draws me to it. Yeah, and just something small that I could do. I mean there's plenty of things me to it, yeah, and just something small that I could do. I mean there's plenty of things I could do, yeah, and it's just making time to do it. Yeah. It really is the challenge, isn't it? Yeah, it's like you could physically do it, but it's like getting A the thought to go in your head, yeah, to then go do it Like that's my biggest problem. I just don't think about it. Yeah, I don't either. I feel it there a lot, yeah, and I think about the energy around me a lot, but to go and do a thing, it's like. I mean, last week, I think, I worked 50 hours for my 36-hour week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And then you come home and you're tired and with your health issues it's just not going to happen. But again, like everyone could use a lot of the same kind of yeah, excuses, but yeah I suppose that's what I feel is missing, like, yeah, something that I can do, that's a little bit flexible for, especially for the health issues times when that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that gives me a bit of a structure. Yeah, it doesn't matter if I miss one session because or like whatever or have to do something really small that day or week or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I literally have a box breathing reminder on my phone. I ignore it every day. Yeah, yeah, I have like have like a meditation, like one minute of breathing exercise yeah yeah, I don't, don't worry. I do think having the podcast will make me much more accountable.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, I have to have something to talk about. I better do something. These are some really cool, interesting questions, I know, aren't they? I like them. Okay, what's your ultimate magical mission in life?
Speaker 1:because that's easy to think of oh yeah, I don't even think I could answer that yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2:The next question. I was like she's gonna say she has to yes, I'm waiting for you to answer the ultimate.
Speaker 2:You know what's your life, mission story and magic? I don't know. I want to find out what the truth is. Uh-huh, and I always have I have when I think about what drives me. It's in almost everything. It's like I want to know what is real and what is not real, yeah, so basically I want to die so I know what happens. Wow, you really were raised Christian, I know, but you can't know what, the full totality of existence and if there are other realms, or how spirits really work, until you're a spirit yourself. Yeah, how, how, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, and I've wanted to find out how I can do that and I know I won't ever. So my whole goal in life is actually futile and I know that. Wow, yeah, you're not going to have an existential crisis, are you? I've had a few existential crises, but yeah because I have thought about it.
Speaker 2:I have actually thought about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that is really. I want to know what really is there and I know I won't ever find out. Yeah, do ghosts exist? Will I ever know fully, 100%? No, I don't think I ever will. Yeah, do fairies or yowies slash big footsies or footsies? They should be called big footsies just by the by slash yetis. Do they exist? I don't know and I don't think I ever will.
Speaker 2:I remember in one of the podcast episodes sorry, you just got me thinking about it um, when someone was like why did, why did we go? Why did they say like bigfoot? Because, like, did they just look at their feet and go, wow, that's their best feature? Like what's? What was the thing that made them go? Let's just talk about the size of your feet as an identifier instead of big. Hairy ape looking man person creature. Yeah, hairy ape looking man person creature. Yeah, hairy ape man. Probably because it was easier to remember than hairy ape man. That's why I like hairy men as like a. That is pretty cool. I quite like that. I like it too, yeah, although it should be hairy person, hairy creature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's get up with the Kind of yeah, yeah, the hairy peeps. Otherwise there's just dudes and there's no new hairy men. Weirdly, it's mostly hairy men that are seen, but there are hairy women they don't have to be if they're actual creatures there are like yeah, yeah, yeah, and like people have seen, like hairy kids.
Speaker 2:Yes, they have. Yeah, that's such a weird thing to say hairy kids. Anyway, I've seen fluffy children as well. What's my ultimate magical mission in life? Oh good, I was like I want to know what that question is. The next one yeah, but yes, um, I honestly think it's just connection. Yeah, yeah connecting ultimate goal? Yeah, connecting with the environment, the world, the spirits, the everything. It's kind of like you knowing the truth. It's kind of the same, but it's.
Speaker 1:It is Like when you said it, I was like yeah, and I would do that through connecting with what is there to find out what is there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's like it's interesting how they're very we've got similar things. That's why we're fans, probably, I don't know. Okay, yeah, I kind of hope. So what piece of wisdom have you learned from observing a witch you least like? What kind of question is that? I don't want to answer that question.
Speaker 2:Me either, Okay next one Only because I'll say something really mean. I try not to judge like, unless it's harmful, like they're hurting someone. I really try not to judge how someone else does their practice because it's meaningful to them, so like when people leave reviews like on.
Speaker 2:Well, they haven't done it. On our podcast, I don't think I haven't looked in a while, but you know you see people say oh, these people know nothing. Or my friend put up a video, a different think I haven't looked in a while, but you know you see people say oh, these people know nothing. Or my friend put up a video, a different friend. I have more than two friends, do you?
Speaker 1:I don't no.
Speaker 2:So he put up a video about a ritual that he did. Yeah, and someone just wrote on there oh, you're just play acting, and it's like, how can you even judge that? Yeah, just from you know, just because it's different to the way you do it, how do you not know that that's meaningful and spiritual for that person? Yeah, and you know. So I just try not to Sure. It might not be something I would personally do, but that doesn't make it less legitimate in any way. Yeah, and I find that it happens a lot in the witch community.
Speaker 1:It's like an, and particularly the nordic pagan sort of stuff that they can be more judgmental yeah, but then I've heard other groups within the community can be too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, and there's a real like and I've heard this for other groups as well but like sticking to a tradition is really important, like there's certain rules you have to follow to call yourself certain things, which that happens everywhere, but it seems to be more I don't know stricter in the Norse community from an outsider's perspective, because I don't count myself as part of that community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I've heard from people in it. I'm very selective about which communities I join, yeah, and particularly like there's Heathen Women United on Facebook and I really love what they're doing, and even though it has women in the title, if you don't identify with a gender, you are accepted in that group. That's cool. It's not. It's just a place to get away from that really masculine. Yeah, because it can be again outside of perspective. Yeah, I can see that it's been, could be quite a well, just look at some of their gods and you can see how it could be, but then so could some of the others. There's so much sexism in the community as well, which is unfortunate, so, yeah, so I'm really selective in what I do and I keep to myself pretty much, which is weird because it's such a community based. Yeah, yeah, I know, but anyway, I'm selective. Okay, if you could master one magical power and I guess this could be fictional that doesn't exist, like in a physical, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Like think, charmed I was thinking like flying. Yeah, power instantly. What would it be Instantly okay? Oh, to talk to animals. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one, yeah yeah, yeah oh, to talk to animals. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, although I think you can to a degree. You can communicate a lot with an animal if you spend enough time with it. Yeah, but full-on. Like your vocalizations are translated to words in english in my head. Kind of talk to animals yeah, yeah like having a actual you understand everything perfectly.
Speaker 2:That I'm saying yeah, yeah when I'm making a dumb joke, you get it. Yeah, to that level. Like you understand colloquialisms and my accent and you know that kind of thing it's like yeah and I understand yours.
Speaker 2:Like you've got a tasmanian cat accent and I get it. Yeah, because obviously I talk to my cat. Yeah, yeah, that I basically talk to my cat anyway. Yeah, but, yeah, that I basically talk to my cat anyway. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, that kind of talk to animals, I like that. That's a cool one, that's a really cool one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it would be teleportation. I want to be able to teleport anywhere at any time that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, through time. Or just oh, through time would be cool too. Yeah, just teleport with no limits. That's like a double whammy, though it seems like two superpowers in one Time travel and teleportation. Yeah, I don't know if I'd like to time travel. I like the idea of seeing things for yourself that you weren't there for as long as other people can't see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you're an observer, not a Participant. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like a ghost. Yeah, I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's what ghosts are Maybe, maybe yeah. Mine would just be like oh I want to be in japan today and I'm there, you know I want to.
Speaker 2:That's still a cool. I want to go, yeah, yeah, that'll probably be close to second or third yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool yeah, I mean that's breaking a lot of boundary laws, but we won't worry about that.
Speaker 2:It didn't say to worry about that. So no, that's not a requirement. Yeah, um, it just had to be magical. This is all coven based. Um, I don't. We've sort of had a coven. I don't think I'd ever do a coven again. You know, I don't think I would in the traditional coven. Yeah, I'm not that it was ever meant to be a coven. But, moving on, we've never had a traditional coven in any way. I've never been part of a real traditional high priestess, priest, kind of yeah, haven't just a group that's worked together yeah, same who called themselves witches.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know if I could go. I don't even know if I'd want to. I probably do what you do with your friend. Yeah, work different things side by side, yeah, and that's also like logistically, that's safer. Yeah, just in general. Yeah, even if your workings are completely different, that's. I have said that to him. I said I would never come here on my own in the dark, god, no Because, and you know, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I like that idea actually yeah.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean as long as you don't, I suppose, disturb each other. But I mean I feel now I could go, and you know, go and sit in a space and have my own space and wouldn't need to even move around or speak much, to get, to have a experience and to do what I would need to do. A lot of like we're either standing or sitting, so like it's not like we're moving around a lot yes, yeah, going, yeah, chanting or whatever, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it actually.
Speaker 2:It really works, um, and, and we get to do what we want to do, yeah, and we get exposed to other kinds of workings. Yeah, I think you said you do invocation each.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so out loud. Yeah, so you get to experience that, which I think is cool, but you're not forced to participate in something you may not want to, but you're also there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and yes, exposed to and supporting that person's energy. I like that idea. That's cool. And he has done work with like a deity that I wouldn't want to work with because I find well, one because it's not my interest area and two because they are a very specific kind of turbulent energy and he's made me charms just to have on my body while he's doing that work so that I don't so I'm like protected from the magic in that way, and it is interesting like, yeah, being exposed to something you wouldn't like want to work with and maybe feeling that energy but not having to partake in that, yeah, that would be fascinating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd actually quite like that to see and just to feel, and it's like the protection, of course, because he's not actually teaching me anything that he's doing, but I am learning things from what he's doing, and occasionally he'll be like I'm learning things from what he's doing, yeah, and occasionally he'll be like I'm doing this spell. Do you want to join me? That's cool and so like I've done that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, so like it's. Yeah, it's actually been the most.
Speaker 2:There are things that I have found about group work that's rewarding yeah, yeah, me too. But I have found that this has worked better because you're trying not to appease every single person in a group, because one person does something they're happy with and another person does something and we respect each other. Yeah, like I said, doing different usually, yeah, in the same space, yeah, not just for, like, physical, yeah, people protection, yeah, but I don't know. Like solidarity, yeah, when there's, you know not many people around, as in. Like people in the community, yeah, so you're not going to find people in the community? Yeah, so you're not going to find half a dozen, a dozen people who have exactly the same, yeah, or close enough related like you're not going to find, you know, gardenian, yeah, coven here, it's just not you might yeah, but they're underground.
Speaker 2:If they are like yeah, yeah and it's, it's, I do know of one group. There's groups and that kind of much more traditional structure.
Speaker 2:You have to have the group to work with. Yeah, while I do not see anything wrong with that at all, yeah, it's just, we're a small place anyway and it's hard. Yeah, and I, honestly, I just don't love people that much. If I'm being honest, you are a cat, I am a cat. Yeah, I just I. But then I don't particularly like being a wiener. And I'm not a cat, I'm a hare. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, so I've. It's actually been my favorite way to work. I like I was doing I think I told you that I took up oboard again and I was doing the bardic grade I got got just about 75% of the course done and I just decided I don't like this, it's not for me, like I hate that. Oh, wow, you got so far into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like just trying to get through to the end so I could get the stupid certificate. There isn't one.
Speaker 1:Oh, there isn't one now there was Apparently there's no certificate. You just get told yep, you've done it you can move on to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the thing you get. To go to the next. Go to the next level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was like I do think they gave you a certificate at some point I was like that's. I was like I just want to be certified, like you know. I just want to say I've done it all, got through it.
Speaker 1:Give me my bit, give me my bit of paper. It's sounding for it.
Speaker 2:It's sounding a little bit like university that's how I was feeling and I and I got to, I just got to. I think there was a one where they're like oh, if you want to like work with water, you should drink water. And I was like, oh, I think I remember you saying I can't believe I paid fucking money to be told to drink water, to interact with water, like it just pissed me off, and so I was just like I'm done, I'm not doing any more of this, like I still, like I love, I do love the community that obod brings. Yeah, I know so, and it's it's. It feels very like, it feels very earthy. Yeah, it is what it is. I love it. I just don't like the bardic grade course and it's kind of hard because I think like a lot of it we would have done in a different guise. Yeah, but that's their tradition, so you've got to go through it to be accepted at that level.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, and I found like some of the little workings they get you to do really powerful and beautiful and some of it's really like quick, like five minutes. There's just a lot of it. There's a lot to go through and I don't think it's worth the money you pay for it. If you've done other things, yeah, maybe if I had started there it would be different. And you know it is like that, like you're supposed to start with that, yeah, so you know it is yeah, yeah, and they're obsessed with poetry and I just don't like poetry.
Speaker 2:Some of it I didn't particularly like some of the the poetry they chose to connect, focus on yeah, yeah yeah, I do know with some of the others, like I think you can, you can access all of the levels if you pay for it. Yeah, but yeah, and like with some of it, I know I'd like to read through it and probably read through certain bits of it and do it over and over and take the parts that you know resonated with me. But getting through the whole thing was hard. Yeah, I didn't either. You didn't get through it either. No, I just did. You. Were you the same? Were you just like towards it and just like I really just don't care anymore? Yeah, I don't think I did not get anywhere near as far as you did.
Speaker 2:Okay, and it was just yeah, some of it was too basic. Yeah, or not divorced from yeah, I suppose too basic is better, like I could see the connection between this very basic thing and like the end goal. Yeah, I didn't need to do it. Yeah, Because I'd done it in a different way you know, 15 years ago. Yeah, so I got that lesson then. Then it was a revelation, you know. Then the connection was made.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Between this real basic concept of like there's water in my body, so drinking water gives me a connection to water. Yeah, it does. Then in grade school spiritually learned that a bit later, but I got it I haven't.
Speaker 2:Don't tell me now. Yeah, at like whatever age I was when I read that bit, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I might finish it. Like I went through the stage where I like I even got a mentor and I like, as I went through the lessons, I was creating a book which apparently, um is going to be useful. When I, when I finish, someone said to me yes, this is a really good idea, keep going with it because you'll need it.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh, okay, like I'm just actually I don't know why, yeah, documenting everything that I'm doing yeah yeah, so um, but I I have not got, as I don't think I got as far as you in it. Apparently they've released now like an australian eccentric guide, like little guide, like a little um, that would be cool and uh, I can't find it like it says that you have to finish the grade to get it and I'm like that doesn't seem right. So I might email them and ask about it, but yeah yeah, because they do say you don't have to finish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can still be part of the community and just stay at whatever grade. Yeah Well, you can do spend eight years to finish the Bardic grade. There's no time limit on it. Exactly Like like I paid for it I've got it.
Speaker 2:I guess that's the value in the course is that you get to keep it for life. Yeah, I mean I do like that because, yeah, like I said, I'm the kind of person who go back and look at different bits and pieces of it yeah like always, or just read a myth that I thought was nice. It wasn't the same one over and over and I feel like there's a lot of bit of reach in some of the content because the information isn't known so it's not mine so, and I don't know that that's spelled out well enough, and I also think that's like yeah, because I struggle personally with this.
Speaker 2:That legitimacy, yeah, oh, we have to base it on something yeah, to be taken seriously yeah like I wouldn't talk about personal experience as much until, like the podcast really yeah because it wasn't legitimate yeah no one else felt it or thought it or this or that yeah, so not real. Yeah, they can just dismiss it. Yeah, play acting yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, in some ways it's really hard to share stuff because I still have the imposter syndrome about this spirituality I've had for how many years now? And even without the imposter syndrome, there are some real dickheads out there that are just there to tear you down, exactly Because they think they know better. Yeah, and they in some ways. Yeah, they do for them, not for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or anyone else.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, I think that, like, given that it's 6.19, I might have to head home. This has been fun, though.
Speaker 1:It's been really fun, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank.